Re: Reviving EVM2003

From: Liam Helmer <lists_at_strongboxlinux_dot_com>
Date: Sun Jul 18 2004 - 14:31:58 CDT

I see no contradiction with using dead candidates... I just want to see
software that'll be more compelling in terms of us getting funding.

Cheers,
Liam

On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 18:39, Ed Kennedy wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> This sounds like a great idea. Just one caveat: Let's stay, as much as
> possible, with imaginary, dead or fantasy candidates and positions as
> before. Perhaps it would be best in the case of the dead to adopt the US
> Postal Service guidelines that the honoree be deceased for at least 10
> years. I understand that I'm contradicting Liam's suggestion and some
> things I've written lately but right now everyone is very polarized with the
> elections coming up soon.
>
> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liam Helmer" <lists@strongboxlinux.com>
> To: "voting-project" <voting-project@lists.sonic.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [voting-project] Reviving EVM2003
>
>
> > Well, I'd certainly be happy to see us moving more on this!
> > I think I had feedback from *1* person on the EVMix CD... the interest
> > was so little that I've simply been working on other things.
> >
> > IMHO, funding is a lot easier if you have a product...
> > That's the approach that I've been taking with my work! (or, in academic
> > terms "publish or perish").
> >
> > For instance, the relatively minor changes involved in getting the
> > EVM2003 software to actually work from a read-only medium would be a
> > great start as far as I'm concerned! In fact, that would probably be
> > enough for me to be able to get a working CD out and available. The
> > changes essentially amount to being able to pass variables or parameters
> > to the programs that contain the names of the ballot files, or locations
> > of where they should save information -> with a CD-Rom, much of your
> > name-space is read-only, and read-write portions of the namespace are
> > "expensive" in real terms.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Liam
> >
> > On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 02:28, David Mertz wrote:
> > > On Jul 17, 2004, at 9:42 PM, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> > > > ...it is hard to get a serious Free/Open Source Software
> > > > project going, and it can apparently be even harder to *keep one
> > > > going*.
> > > > 1) Don't discourage work as being not needed with promises of
> > > > grants/funding/whatever being "just around the corner".
> > > > 2) Don't discourage work as being not needed because "we'll soon have
> > > > an army
> > > > of graduate students to do that". Armies of graduate students are
> > > > generally
> > > > good for one or two purposes: earning their Masters degrees and
> > > > keeping their
> > > > professors gainfully employed, IMHO. At the very least, an army of
> grad
> > >
> > > Indeed. I quite agree with the harmful loss of focus for EVM2003. I
> > > also think the chasing after funding by some OVC members has had almost
> > > as much of a down side as an up side... a lot of threads that really
> > > need to be pursued in EVM2003 have been dropped (or postponed, anyway):
> > > generalizing the source code to generic ballots; testing and fixing
> > > the live-CD Liam did a good job of packaging (at least as an alpha
> > > version); stamping out those various known bugs that remain in the
> > > demo; making the whole thing easier to download; getting the latest
> > > code checked in; etc.
> > >
> > > I feel bad about all this, since I should have made some efforts to
> > > keep EVM2003 alive (I'm not the only one who might do so... but I'm one
> > > likely candidate). Not to say it cannot be resuscitated still, of
> > > course, but it's dormant at least. I went off in my own directions
> > > too... some with the Harvard conference, some with the academic papers,
> > > some with getting OVC onto IBM developerWorks, and--oh yeah--some work
> > > that actually pays me money, so I can pay my bills.
> > >
> > > And now I'm on vacation for a week, and have some articles due as soon
> > > as I come back. But at the start of August, I will try to make a real
> > > effort to bring EVM2003 back to more active status. Probably first
> > > thing is starting a new clearly purposed developers list, called
> > > something like EVM2003-DEV to clearly differentiate it from OVC and
> > > from any University projects that may (or may not) get funded. And
> > > after that, get people together to do the various things I mention
> > > above--and the other ones that I have not thought of, but that our
> > > other excellent developers have more clearly in mind.
> > >
> > > Yours, David...
> > --
> > ----------
> >
> > StrongBox Linux
> > http://www.strongboxlinux.com
> > "Making Security Friendly"
> >
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