Re: draft of text for new OVC-sponsored bill

From: Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Wed Jan 28 2009 - 15:23:30 CST

Hello Ronald,

Speaking solely for myself, if you feel you have a better system, feel free to build it. Competition is said to help all participants.

Thanks, Ed Kennedy

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----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Crane <voting@lastland.net>
To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:25:44 PM
Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] draft of text for new OVC-sponsored bill

Alan Dechert wrote:
> From: Ronald Crane
>
>> OVC's focus on ballot printers for all voters oversells their
>> benefits and understates their security risks, especially
>> versus hand-filled, machine-tabulated paper ballot systems.
>>
> This is pure opinion. You have absolutely no data with which to back this up.
I have identified a variety of attack forms (presentation, selection, DoS, etc.) and vectors (e.g., attack the voting application website/CDs/hashes/trust tree, instrument various kinds of firmware, use network vulnerabilities) in this and other recent threads on this list. Many of the responses have been to wave hands, issue self-contradictory defenses (e.g., voters won't effectively check hand-filled ballots, but will effectively check machine-filled ones), state that hand-filled paper is not "in any way preferable to machine-marked ballots", tell us that it's "easy" to realtime-audit all wireless communications in polling places, and to throw personal insults.

How to weigh various security vulnerabilities is, in part, a matter of opinion. It is not a matter of opinion that those vulnerabilities exist.
> Our proposal is to study these issues so we will have some data.
Good. Then let's not hear blanket condemnations of hand-filled machine-tabulated paper.
> You are trying to write the executive summary to a report where the study has not been done.
No. I am identifying issues that need to be fully addressed in the report.

-R

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