Re: [OVC-discuss] draft of text for new OVC-sponsored bill

From: Edward Cherlin <echerlin_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Mon Jan 26 2009 - 18:07:29 CST

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jim March <> wrote:

>>>So, voters are bad at proof-reading their own hand-filled ballots, but you "very much doubt" that they'll be bad at proof-reading OVC printed ballots? Hmm. Also, this lacks any acknowledgement that (except for accidents) a hand-filled ballot by definition reflects the voter's will, while a machine-printed ballot can, for many reasons I've described on this list, reflect someone else's will.<<
> To put it another way: if a voter takes a "fill in the bubble" or
> similar sheet of paper and marks it, it's not critical that they ever
> re-read and proof it.

Not the case. See Minnesota.

> They made their marks and it's now 100%
> impossible that something or somebody else manipulated those marks
> before it gets to the ballot box.

Sorry, Jim, that's nonsense, and I would have thought obvious
no-brainer nonsense. All that an unscrupulous official has to do is to
put an occasional stray mark on a few selected ballots in order to
invalidate them. It is hard to do that in a way that will pass a
statistical audit, but we don't do audits today.

> Sure, some people may screw up here and there, but not that often and
> not in a "partisan trend" that could flip an election (well, barring
> really bad ballot layout of course).

Screwups can and have flipped elections, and not just on butterfly
ballots. But it is more important that a mess like FL, OH, or MN costs
many millions of dollars to attempt to deal with, takes months, and
appears to have a less than 50% probability of giving the right
answer, given the partisan energy put into making them come out wrong.

However, I am going to have to give up these fruitless discussions.
There is real work to do.

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