Re: A 3-Step Audit Protocol w/ 99% confidence

From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall_at_pobox_dot_com>
Date: Wed Jan 24 2007 - 14:22:18 CST

On 1/24/07, Kathy Dopp <> wrote:
> On 1/24/07, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <> wrote:
> > To be clear: a few of us have been thinking about tiered approaches
> > since mid-December. I'm not sure that this lack-of-credit is an
> > important thing to dwell on and I don't believe we have enough
> > information about any of this to point fingers at individuals for
> > thinking about ways to do some chunky approach to confidence levels in
> > legislation. -
> Joe,
> This "3-step audit protocol" is not a tiered audit approach, it is a
> calculated approach,

Oops... my mistake. Sorry for the confusion. best, Joe

> based on the formulas I suggested to Ron Rivest
> that Ron provide more explicitly for elections in his paper and which
> I explicitly explained how to do in a paper I just released on January
> 17th after deriving them from Ron's September work; and it is also
> based on my own work that I released in July which Howard claims to
> not have read before he released his first paper, but which he cannot
> claim not to have read now, and I know that Howard read my September
> paper because he helped me write a section in it citing his own work
> in it, but did not contribute one iota of anything else to it.
> It they stick to form, it will take Howard and VoteTrustUSA another
> week to replicate my tiered election audit work and to publicly
> release it themselves without citing my work on it.
> I suppose it is remotely possible, that Howard never read any of my
> audit papers beginning in July and including my latest paper where I
> explicitly showed how to apply Rivest's estimation formula from his
> appendix, to election audits, but I do know that Howard read my and
> Stenger's September paper in which I explicitly show how to calculate
> the minimum number of vote counts that could alter an election
> outcome, and it seems unlikely for anyone who claims they are an
> expert in this field, like Howard does, to not to have read any of my
> work on it.
> In emails from Howard after he released his first paper and before I
> released mine, I often found errors in his calculations and thinking
> that I helped him correct, so it is wrong for him and VoteTrustUSA to
> refuse to report on or cite any of my work and to replicate it always
> a week or more after I do it originally without citing me.
> I have no doubt that you'll see Howard and VoteTrustUSA put forth a
> tiered audit proposal next now that I've publicly released a tiered
> audit proposal.
> Kathy
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