Re: Please tell me re. Votehere voting system vendor

From: Fred McLain <mclain_at_zipcon_dot_net>
Date: Thu Jan 27 2005 - 21:16:53 CST

Votehere an "Enemy"? I think not. Votehere is a Seattle company and
I've had lunch with it's president. Although he has little confidence
in voter verified ballots, he is open to them. The intent of his
company is to make a few bucks by providing software to allow a secure
receipt system. They give a number to the voter that allows only the
voter to determine if their vote was cast correctly using a
public/private key encryption system. Having done a bit of work in this
area, I believe that their technology is possible. They did release
their code for observation, (no modification), but the license/NDA and
my involvement in OVC development prevented me from taking a look at the
code. There is no conflict between a public key infrastructure (PKI)
verification system and a voter verified ballot system. Combination of
both under open source would be a fine solution. There is nothing
inherently insecure in PKI. I'd be happy to debate this with you
Charlie.

        -Fred-

On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 11:33 -0700, charlie strauss wrote:
> Votehere is the unintentional enemy of Voter verified paper audit trails. The offer a fairly respectable receipt scheme based on crypto. that allows you to call in and see if your ballot made it to city hall.
>
> problems with receipts in general include:
> 1) okay so "some" ballot got to city hall but did it contain your votes?
> 2) if the hash can ID your ballot by content instead of ID number
> then it can be inverted either by cracking the hash or if someone leaks the keys.
> So you dont have the ballot security you thought you did.
> 3) even if it were secure voters would not know this since its not transparently so.
> 4) finally even if a problem is discoverd you cant recount.
>
> vote here are howerver quite smart.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathy Dopp <kathy@uscountvotes.org>
> Sent: Jan 27, 2005 11:06 AM
> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> Subject: [OVC-discuss] Please tell me re. Votehere voting system vendor
>
> It seems that the Votehere group has become involved with helping to
> write legislation here in Utah to promote the Votehere system.
> http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2005/bills/hbillint/hb0211.htm
>
> Can you please tell me about the Votehere voting and election system
> please?
>
>
> I need to know.
>
> Please let me know if it would it be alright to post your comments on
> http://utahcountvotes.org or not also.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Charlie Strauss has tried to give advice and input to Rep John Dougall
> http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/members2005/bios2005.asp?id=27
>
> on how to revise/improve HB211 but there is atleast one Utah computer
> scientist who seems to be working with the Votehere people and with Rep
> Dougall on authoring this amendment, so we are uncertain yet whether
> Charlie's advice will be taken.
>
>
> Kathy Dopp
> http://utahcountvotes.org
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