Re: Move On tries Internet voting.

From: Barbara Simons <simons_at_acm_dot_org>
Date: Sun Feb 03 2008 - 12:54:06 CST

Whether or not what MoveOn did was a legitimate election, Democrats
Abroad most definitely are conducting an election over the internet that
has real live delegates at stake. The Democrats Abroad scheme was
announced late and with little fanfare. The press so far has completely
ignored what is happening. Given the closeness of the race in the
Democratic Party, there is the possibility that the Democrats Abroad
delegates will decide who the nominee will be.
Regards,
Barbara

Election Technology wrote:
> Lets not confuse what MoveOn did with any kind of legitimate election.
> This was a publicity stunt (which seems rather successful) which only
> represented 8.7% of the 3.2 million members. This was a glorified web
> survey with no indication of any attempt at security or privacy. I
> don't think what MoveOn has done even warrants the title "Internet
> Voting."
>
> - Chris
>
> On Feb 2, 2008 3:20 PM, Barbara Simons <simons@acm.org
> <mailto:simons@acm.org>> wrote:
>
> Folks on this list all know that internet voting is insecure. The
> main
> question, it seems to me, is how great are the stakes.
>
> I am far more concerned by the fact that the Democrats are allowing
> expatriate Democrats to vote over the internet this coming Tuesday.
> There will be a small number of real delegates at stake. Given the
> closeness of the race between Obama and Clinton, there is the
> possibility that the Democrats Abroad delegates might swing the
> nomination to one of the two candidates.
>
> David Dill and I just wrote an article about this proposal. It's
> posted
> at
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-dill/the-democratic-partys-da_b_84580.html.
>
> Obviously, the article is directed at a non-technical audience.
>
> Regards,
> Barbara
>
> dr-jekyll@att.net <mailto:dr-jekyll@att.net> wrote:
> > I don't see where this is a PR coup for Internet voting. Internet
> > voting is vulnerable to both wholesale and retail fraud as an inside
> > job. When election fraud schemes are exposed, they generally have
> > people working inside the election even if they also have outsiders
> > involved.
> >
> > --
> > Kurt
> >
> > Nor yet, O Freedom! close thy lids
> > in slumber for thine enemy never
> > sleeps. -- The Antiquity of
> > Freedom By William Cullen Bryant
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Jerry Depew"
> > <depew@ncn.net <mailto:depew@ncn.net>>: --------------
> >
> >
> > > Well, they DID provide a unique ID. So are they in the clear?
> > >
> > > I thought MoveOn would be subjected to clear and convincing
> > criticism on
> > > this OVC list, but so far the case against their internet vote
> > has not
> > > convinced me. I'm pretty disappointed. A teaching moment has
> > passed.
> > > Internet voting has scored a PR coup.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:08:03 -0600, Richard C. Johnson
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Any unique ID, of course, could be used to make sure you
> vote
> > only once
> > > > in an internet poll.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Depew, Laurens, IA
> > > http://iowavoters.org
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