Re: Move On tries Internet voting.

From: Fred McLain <mclain_at_zipcon_dot_net>
Date: Sun Feb 03 2008 - 12:51:41 CST

Keep in mind that Move On counts anyone who reads their mailing list
as a member. I was rather shocked to find out that just by
subscribing to their newsletter I am somehow now a "member" of
moveon.org. I certainly do not want to be associated with this
organization. I'd also guess that the Obama campaign isn't happy with
their recent endorsement of him any more then the Clinton campaign
appreciates Ann Coulter offering to campaign for them.

http://moveon.org/press/pr/obamaendorsementrelease.html

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/02/ann-coulter-says-shes-not-kidding/

I would be surprised if much more then the 8.7% who "voted" were
active members of Move On, chances are that most of these 3.2M people
are just being spammed by this group like I am.

        -Fred-

On Feb 3, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Chris Nuckols wrote:

> No offense but from what I could tell about the e-mails sent out (as
> I did get one and I knew several other people who got one) each link
> had a different key on it and it was all linked to your registered e-
> mail address. As well bunches of people wanted to vote but since
> they weren't registered members before the vote they weren't able to
> get in on the vote. Also the time frame in which people had to vote
> was very small, I think less than a day. I would just like to make
> the argument that it looked like they were at least 'trying' to make
> things secure as well they didn't give everyone weeks on end to get
> their votes in (which is probably why only 8.7% of the people voted,
> so really they're only counting the demographic of people who are
> sitting at their e-mail waiting for things to happen). I would
> agree with you though that this hardly warrants "Internet Voting"
> but the security was still seemingly there.
>
> On Feb 3, 2008 10:07 AM, Election Technology <electiontechnology@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> Lets not confuse what MoveOn did with any kind of legitimate
> election. This was a publicity stunt (which seems rather successful)
> which only represented 8.7% of the 3.2 million members. This was a
> glorified web survey with no indication of any attempt at security
> or privacy. I don't think what MoveOn has done even warrants the
> title "Internet Voting."
>
> - Chris
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2008 3:20 PM, Barbara Simons <simons@acm.org> wrote:
> Folks on this list all know that internet voting is insecure. The
> main
> question, it seems to me, is how great are the stakes.
>
> I am far more concerned by the fact that the Democrats are allowing
> expatriate Democrats to vote over the internet this coming Tuesday.
> There will be a small number of real delegates at stake. Given the
> closeness of the race between Obama and Clinton, there is the
> possibility that the Democrats Abroad delegates might swing the
> nomination to one of the two candidates.
>
> David Dill and I just wrote an article about this proposal. It's
> posted
> at
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-dill/the-democratic-partys-da_b_84580.html
> .
>
> Obviously, the article is directed at a non-technical audience.
>
> Regards,
> Barbara
>
> dr-jekyll@att.net wrote:
> > I don't see where this is a PR coup for Internet voting. Internet
> > voting is vulnerable to both wholesale and retail fraud as an inside
> > job. When election fraud schemes are exposed, they generally have
> > people working inside the election even if they also have outsiders
> > involved.
> >
> > --
> > Kurt
> >
> > Nor yet, O Freedom! close thy lids
> > in slumber for thine enemy never
> > sleeps. -- The Antiquity of
> > Freedom By William Cullen Bryant
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Jerry Depew"
> > <depew@ncn.net>: --------------
> >
> >
> > > Well, they DID provide a unique ID. So are they in the clear?
> > >
> > > I thought MoveOn would be subjected to clear and convincing
> > criticism on
> > > this OVC list, but so far the case against their internet vote
> > has not
> > > convinced me. I'm pretty disappointed. A teaching moment has
> > passed.
> > > Internet voting has scored a PR coup.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:08:03 -0600, Richard C. Johnson
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Any unique ID, of course, could be used to make sure you
> vote
> > only once
> > > > in an internet poll.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Depew, Laurens, IA
> > > http://iowavoters.org
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