Re: Hand-marked ballots [Re: OVC-discuss Digest, Vol 28, Issue 26]

From: Nancy Tobi <ntobi_at_democracyfornewhampshire_dot_com>
Date: Fri Feb 16 2007 - 11:13:05 CST

I like to think about this in terms of "what instances of life merit our
personal, human touch"? Where is technology warranted, where is it not.

For instance, I would not want a marriage contract marker. Or a bank loan
marker.

Similarly, I would not want a machine to mark my American ballot, which is
my signature of commitment to my American Republic and the community in
which I live.

I would want to know that my hand marked commitment is read, discerned, and
understood by my fellow countrymen/women, who in their reading of my intent,
signify their commitment back to me.

Those of you who have never participated in a hand count election should
view our videos online, or better, come to NH for one of our statewide
recounts.

We know, from reading our neighbor's ballots, that sometimes their political
expression is so intensely personal that they choose to mark their ballot in
their own unique manner, which may not be welcomed by a machine reader, but
which is certainly understood by their human neighbors determining their
voter intent.

I don't believe that, with something as personal and precious as our vote
for freedom and liberty, we should be restricting our expression to that
permitted by a computer.

Nancy

> One problem with allowing voters to take a pen to a ballot-
> incompetents or hooligans can mis-mark Oversight is difficult. giving
> the election officials an excuse for lack of audit reconciliation.
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> I prefer a front-end ballot printer- Brent Turner
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> *From:* Teresa Hommel [mailto:tahommel@earthlink.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:36 PM
> *To:* Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: [OVC-discuss] Hand-marked ballots [Re: OVC-discuss Digest,
> Vol 28, Issue 26]
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> Most of these attacks could be avoided by having a lot of observers and
> firing the election lawyers and using kindergarten teachers instead.
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> I believe that many if not most people cannot compare two printed ballots
> and determine whether or not they are the same.But it would be very
> unusual for a person hand-marking a ballot to mark the wrong candidate.
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> Teresa Hommel
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> Hamilton Richards wrote:
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> Having voters mark their ballots by hand is no panacea. For a
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> comprehensive catalog of all the ways in which hand-marked ballots
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> can be altered or invalidated (or both) by crooked election
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> officials, see [1]. The basis for most of these attacks is the
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> discretion afforded election judges in inferring the voter's intent
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> from the marked ballot (optical scanning helps, but judges are still
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> called upon to evaluate ballots rejected by the scanner). *Most of *
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> *these attacks are foiled by having marked ballots printed by machine.*
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> Additional benefits of machine-printed ballots are the elimination of
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> the need to print ballots with many different sets of races and
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> questions, in many different languages, and to store them and
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> distribute them securely.
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> Perhaps it should be called the VVMPPB (Voter-Verified Machine
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> Printed Paper Ballot).
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> --Ham Richards
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> 1. <http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/paper.html> <http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/%7Ejones/voting/paper.html>, in particular
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> the sections under the headings "The Election Judges" and "Rules
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> Governing Ballot Interpretation".
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> At 2:30 PM -0800 2007/2/14, ovc-discuss-request@listman.sonic.net wrote:
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:13:58 -0800 (PST)
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> From: "Richard C. Johnson" <dick@iwwco.com> <dick@iwwco.com>
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> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Paperless voting Re: OVC-discuss Digest,
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> Vol 28, Issue 25
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> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
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> VVPB is simply a paper ballot, the official ballot in an election.
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> At a minimum, there will be handicapped voters using touch screens
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> to generate ballots, which will then be fed through precinct
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> scanners. Precinct scanners are by far the most popular means of
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> voting in the US and, except for handicapped voters, all ballots
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> will be marked by the voter's own hand. Using ballot markers for
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> non-handicapped voters is expensive, redundant, and rare. I agree
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> with Phil that in almost all instances the ballot should be marked
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> directly by the voter.
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-- 
Nancy Tobi, Chair
Democracy for New Hampshire
DFNH Fair Elections Committee
PO Box 717 | Concord, NH 03301
www.DemocracyForNewHampshire.com

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