Re: Prerendering of GUI for voting machines

From: Fred McLain <mclain_at_zipcon_dot_net>
Date: Mon Dec 03 2007 - 17:14:13 CST

In no way did I intend to present myself as the inventor of the entire
voting system or even the touch screen portion. I'm just pointing out
that it is the case that I originated the idea of using a pre-rendered
ballot instead of the traditional widget approach. In part this came
from my prior work on of all things business card printing kiosks. In
patent terms they call this a "claim", one of many in any invention.
Since the pre-rendering of the ballot was the entire point of this
thread, I've focused on that and only that. There is no doubt that
none of this would have come about if we weren't trying to do open
voting in the first place.

        -Fred-

On Dec 3, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Alan Dechert wrote:

>
> In a narrow sense, yes, it was your idea. In a broader sense, it
> emerged
> from the OVC project. If the project had not been started, it's
> unlikely you
> would have published any such idea. If you had not come along, it's
> possible that someone else would have arrived at the same
> conclusion. We
> were having trouble getting this done with wxpython, so we needed to
> look at
> another way.
>
> Several people deserve credit for the demo project getting started.
> Ed
> Cherlin was the first to suggest to me that we get a page on
> Sourceforge and
> start writing some code in Python in order to build a demo. He was
> referred
> to me by David Dill. A month or so later, Dill also referred Arthur
> Keller
> to me. Arthur said, "let's get this going." He started the voting-
> project
> email list because collaborating with cc list got too cumbersome.
> David
> Mertz was a huge magnet for Python developers. Doug Jones has been
> one of
> the major commentators nationally -- internationally too -- on the
> subject
> of voting system reform. So having him join the project as one of
> the three
> OVC founders was very important to the project.
>
> Before all that, Henry Brady was my co-author. This gave me some
> credibility.
>
> With that in mind, I would be happy with the following scenario.
> Let's
> write put something together. Fred can make the post to this list,
> and
> we'll give Ping the url for the post for citation. Fred's message
> should
> present his thinking on the prerendering idea and acknowledge the
> work of
> everyone else involved. And, the post should include appropriate
> links to
> publicity and such (I can give you a list).
>
> Before Fred makes this post, we should do a little research to see
> what
> similar ideas might have been out there. For example, early DREs used
> prerendered screens but the screens were not computer screens. I
> guess they
> were laid out on paper with buttons around the ballot for the vote
> to make
> selections.
>
> Alan D.
>
>
>
>> I would appreciated it if Ping mentioned somewhere in his reference
>> that I was responsible for the original idea in my role as lead
>> developer for the OVC demo project. As I mentioned, this wasn't
>> entirely due to expediency, it was more a matter of matching form to
>> function, (e.g. a well thought out design approach). If he needs
>> contact information, I am fred.mclain at boeing dot com and mclain at
>> halcyon dot com. Given that I am working for a research group now,
>> being cited isn't a bad thing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Fred-
>>
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2007, at 2:12 PM, David Mertz wrote:
>>
>>> I have emailed Ping about the concerns expressed on this list. As I
>>> expected, he was very agreeable to adding appropriate citation to
>>> the
>>> prior work of OVC/EVM2003.
>>>
>>> Ping asks, however, for clarification on exactly *what* is best to
>>> cite in future footnotes. We had quite a bit of discussion around
>>> this, but it's also not obvious to me exactly what an academic
>>> footnote should reference. If members of this list can propose
>>> citation details, I will work with Ping on the best form for
>>> reference to the EVM2003 work.
>>>
>>> I presume that a good footnote might include a couple citations.
>>> For
>>> example, perhaps it would make sense to include both a link to the
>>> Sourceforge project page, and also to the supporting discussion
>>> (even
>>> if indirect) within the academic papers Arthur and I worked on (with
>>> varying co-authors).
>>>
>>> Yours, David...
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