Re: Prerendering of GUI for voting machines

From: Alan Dechert <dechert_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Mon Dec 03 2007 - 15:20:00 CST

David Mertz says he talked with Ping. I wrote to Ping, but he hasn't
responded yet.

I will write to David Wagner and cc Ping.

Thanks.

Alan D.

>I agree with Charlie on this. We have an obligation to let Ping know
> about the "prior art". I'd hate for him to go through a peer review
> and have someone else bring this up.
>
> In no way did I intend to suggest that Ping was being malicious. It
> could well be that he at one point, perhaps years ago, seen how we did
> this and simply forgot about the source but not the idea. I would
> find it astonishing if he had come to the exact same language, library
> and design for he same knowledge domain (touch screen voting) on his
> own.
>
> -Fred-
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:26 PM, charlie strauss wrote:
>
>> Alan,
>> Aside from the bussiness issues, there's a scientific matter.
>> It's the duty of every author to provide a careful selection of
>> relevant references. It's mandatory not a courtesy to you but as a
>> service to future readers.
>>
>> It's not uncommon for mistakes to be made when ideas are arrived at
>> separately, but it's not an excuse to leave the record be. Ping has
>> an scientific publication obligation cite your related works even if
>> he did not use them. It's your obligation not to be embarrassed to
>> point this out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Dec 3, 2007 2:07 PM
>>> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
>>> <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net
>>> >
>>> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Prerendering of GUI for voting machines
>>>
>>> Arthur,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is worthwhile saying where an idea came from. However,
>>>> I do not believe that there was any malice in not citing the OVC
>>>> demo, ....
>>>>
>>> I don't know if Fred is suggesting malice. I am not suggesting any
>>> malice.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ... When the earlier invention
>>>> is not adequately disclosed, it cannot serve as prior art in
>>>> invalidating the patent. In our case, the feature of pre-rendering
>>>> was not adequately disclosed.
>>>>
>>> I know you have served as an expert witness on patent infringement
>>> cases, so
>>> you can speak to this with some authority. I don't know if your
>>> authority
>>> would be enough to fill a beer mug with five-dollar bills, but
>>> let's suppose
>>> it would.
>>>
>>> I'm not so interested the patent issue. Actually, I am interested
>>> -- just
>>> not that much. I am interested in the genealogy of ideas more than
>>> who gets
>>> credit or who does not get credit. Maybe I should be more
>>> interested in the
>>> patent issue since we are trying to enter the business world and
>>> people
>>> there are interested in such things. Did Edison invent the light
>>> bulb? Not
>>> really. He made one that could be sold.
>>>
>>> Alan D.
>>>
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