Re: Prerendering of GUI for voting machines

From: Fred McLain <mclain_at_zipcon_dot_net>
Date: Mon Dec 03 2007 - 15:12:58 CST

I agree with Charlie on this. We have an obligation to let Ping know
about the "prior art". I'd hate for him to go through a peer review
and have someone else bring this up.

In no way did I intend to suggest that Ping was being malicious. It
could well be that he at one point, perhaps years ago, seen how we did
this and simply forgot about the source but not the idea. I would
find it astonishing if he had come to the exact same language, library
and design for he same knowledge domain (touch screen voting) on his
own.

        -Fred-

On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:26 PM, charlie strauss wrote:

> Alan,
> Aside from the bussiness issues, there's a scientific matter.
> It's the duty of every author to provide a careful selection of
> relevant references. It's mandatory not a courtesy to you but as a
> service to future readers.
>
> It's not uncommon for mistakes to be made when ideas are arrived at
> separately, but it's not an excuse to leave the record be. Ping has
> an scientific publication obligation cite your related works even if
> he did not use them. It's your obligation not to be embarrassed to
> point this out.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Dec 3, 2007 2:07 PM
>> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Prerendering of GUI for voting machines
>>
>> Arthur,
>>>
>>> Yes, it is worthwhile saying where an idea came from. However,
>>> I do not believe that there was any malice in not citing the OVC
>>> demo, ....
>>>
>> I don't know if Fred is suggesting malice. I am not suggesting any
>> malice.
>>
>>
>>> ... When the earlier invention
>>> is not adequately disclosed, it cannot serve as prior art in
>>> invalidating the patent. In our case, the feature of pre-rendering
>>> was not adequately disclosed.
>>>
>> I know you have served as an expert witness on patent infringement
>> cases, so
>> you can speak to this with some authority. I don't know if your
>> authority
>> would be enough to fill a beer mug with five-dollar bills, but
>> let's suppose
>> it would.
>>
>> I'm not so interested the patent issue. Actually, I am interested
>> -- just
>> not that much. I am interested in the genealogy of ideas more than
>> who gets
>> credit or who does not get credit. Maybe I should be more
>> interested in the
>> patent issue since we are trying to enter the business world and
>> people
>> there are interested in such things. Did Edison invent the light
>> bulb? Not
>> really. He made one that could be sold.
>>
>> Alan D.
>>
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