Re: Prerendering of GUI for voting machines

From: Fred McLain <mclain_at_zipcon_dot_net>
Date: Mon Dec 03 2007 - 02:26:25 CST

I am fairly certain you are correct here, none of the folks in the
discussion group were involved directly with the software design.
That is why we needed to have a separate development group list.
There were no "scholarly papers" we used to do the design. We looked
at the problem and came up with this solution. As often happens, the
real inventions come from those that do, not those who talk about the
software.

None the less, we did originate the idea, develop, publish and
demonstrate it, and do a demonstration on local television in
Sacramento. If you don't care to call that prior publication that's
your call I guess.

Pardon me for going a bit postal here, but I am very tired of people
who do real software design being ignored in the voting community.
Read the next part at your own ego risk.

I'm in the fortunate position of working with people who are in
industry nearly all of whom have doctorates. We actually create in
collaboration *real software*, and have a great time doing it. That
is largely due to the fact my co-workers, degrees or not, have been in
the *real world* for quite some time. They also respect those that
can crank out designs for actual software and work to realize it.

I'm very thankful I don't have to deal with the do-nothings that take
credit for other peoples work in the university community.

Is it true that if an OSS solution for voting isn't described in a
"scholarly paper" that it isn't a published idea? I think not. It is
the realization of the concept that constitutes a prior invention, not
the nosing about it. As far as I know, OVC was the first to realize
the concept of pre rendering of the ballot as a mechanism to simplify
the touch screen systems in voting. I find it hard to believe that
Ping wasn't already aware of our work in this exact area. His advisor
needs to be informed of these simple facts.

That's the end of my rant, have a good evening,

        -Fred-

On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Arthur Keller wrote:

> At 11:32 PM -0800 12/2/07, Arthur Keller wrote:
>> I'm at Santa Cruz. They are at Berkeley.
>>
>> Also, I do not believe that our papers ever mentioned the
>> pre-rendering of the images, so there was no scholarly publication to
>> cite.
>>
>> It was not clear at the time that the decision to use a pre-rendered
>> image that was made other than for expediency reasons.
>
> If we had at the time a system for creating the pre-rendered images
> based on electronic ballot definition files, we'd have more of a case
> for being cited. Our demonstration system supported exactly one
> ballot style, which was effectively wired in.
>
>> At 5:06 PM -0800 12/1/07, Fred McLain wrote:
>>> The more I think about this, the less I believe it was a
>>> coincidence.
>>> The same UC where one of our founders was a professor. The same
>>> programming language, the same libraries and the same design? Even
>>> the design criteria match with the dev list discussions. What an
>>> amazing coincidence. I'm sure it had nothing to do with our
>>> development forums, design and code being freely available just
>>> before
>>> Ping started going for his degree. In OSS terms, that amounts to
>>> "prior publication".
>
> Best regards,
> Arthur
>
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