Re: Walking away with the paper ballot.

From: laird popkin <lairdp_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Thu Dec 16 2004 - 12:21:54 CST

I don't disagree with the issues that were raised about the threats to
paper ballots, but I think there's also a benefit to the clarity of
declaring the paper ballot to be "true" and the digital record as
being an "accellerator". Yes, paper documents can be forged, etc., but
people have been doing a fairly good job of securing paper documents
(when they care to) for a very long time, so I'm more confident that a
good process can secure paper ballots (for auditing and recounts) than
in securing digital records. In the cases where the digital record
indicates that the paper has been forged, I'd think that could be
addressed with a small caveat to the "paper is the truth" -- that you
can challenge the paper ballots as being invalid. But if the
presumption is that the paper ballot is true, that seems to me that it
makes the entire process far more clear.

Perhaps I'm just old fashioned?

- LP

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:52:58 -0800, Joseph Lorenzo Hall
<> wrote:
> And should the converse be true as well? That is, if there is a paper
> ballot (or a number of them) without any digital record (we'd notice
> during BRP[1]), the presumption should be that the paper ballots are
> invalid?
> This seems to be a rule that says your vote only counts if there is
> both a digital record of your vote and a paper ballot in the ballot
> box. In a sense, this is different than the problematic "the paper
> should govern" rule (as Doug pointed out) and both would have to exist
> and be reconciled before a given vote was counted.
> Of course, that would mean by either removing digital records or paper
> ballots, you could invalidate votes. Should the paper ballots be
> given extra weight as they are "ballots" and not audit records? I'm
> probably making this overly complicated...
> [1]
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> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> UC Berkeley, SIMS PhD Student
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