Re: Walking away with the paper ballot.

From: laird popkin <lairdp_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Wed Dec 15 2004 - 21:33:23 CST

This is why the terminology is so important. What the voter is
printing is their ballot, not a receipt. The answer to the question
"what happens if the voter prints a ballot and walks out with it
instead of putting it in the ballot box" is fairly obvious -- they
didn't actually vote.

- Laird Popkin

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:07:12 -0800, Jim March <> wrote:
> Ken Pugh wrote:
> > Let me pose an interesting possibility. Suppose some voters took away
> > their receipts. I could imagine even myself doing it accidentally
> > since it's only a "receipt" or perhaps I'd really like to keep a
> > record of how I voted. So now the paper records will differ from the
> > computer records.
> >
> > Ken
> Then the voter didn't vote.
> OK. That may sound "hardcore" but it has to be that way. People cannot
> be allowed to walk away with proof of HOW they voted. If they do, some
> will sell their vote, others will be subjected to intimidation all the
> way up to violence. Both of these issues occured in New York City over
> 70 years ago. (It's also a major strike against all forms of "Internet
> voting" no matter how otherwise secure - "free voting machines" will
> inevitably be set up in union halls and corporate offices alike with
> monitoring software in place.)
> There are some "intent of the voter mistakes" that can and should be
> allowed. The recent election in San Diego county where many people
> wrote in "Donna Frye" but didn't check the bubble-box next to "I'm
> voting write-in" are an example - there's no harm in not checking any
> bubbles other than a nuisance at the optical scanner.
> Walking away with proof of how you voted and NOT leaving a final paper
> ballot of record isn't the same thing. It is a practice proven to
> promote violence and it leaves us with an auditing and proof problem.
> Voter stupidity should be tolerated where harmless. Walking away with
> the final legal paper ballot (which must be marked as such!) and
> ignoring the on-screen (or audio track for the blind) prompts to deposit
> the final paper ballot in a ballot box is NOT harmless and must not be
> tolerated.
> Jim
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