Re: NM looking to paper ballots

From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Thu Dec 09 2004 - 14:17:23 CST

No production quality open source system currently exists. I'd
rather have a commercial Electronic Ballot Marker than have a DRE.
We shouldn't stack the deck that nothing qualifies. We need to make
sure that there are qualified solutions.

So it's best to have a point system, where there are minimum
requirements (paper ballot) and optional requirements (for which
points are granted).

Best regards,
Arthur

At 12:01 PM -0800 12/9/04, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>Hello Charley,
>
>Try stacking the deck via the specifications. "Must run LINUX," or
>something like that.
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>charlie strauss <cems@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>things are changing rapidly in New Mexico. Our governor has
>appointed someone to oversea coming up election reform and one of
>the high bullet points is paper trails.
>
>They have been asking my group to supply input in terms of raw data
>not advice (like which system have paper trails), And I'm getting a
>bit concerned they are asking the wrong questions. (seeing trees not
>forrests on the issue of ballot integrity)
>
>Our SOS, the head of NASS, continues to tell everyone that New
>Mexico already has paper trails and open source code. Neither is
>true excpet under her peculiar defiintions. So clearing the air and
>getting to basics (the forest) is what is needed specifics. But
>things are happening too fast.
>
>
>If you are motivated to do so, contacting the NM governors office
>would in fact likely be met with interest.
>
>I myself plan to call the key peopl! e and try to get meetings with them.
>
>At the moment, in trying to respond to one of the tree-not-forrest
>questions I'm debating how break down the Source code verus Binary
>issue for them. That is I want to come to them with an ordered list
>of what is needed in terms of priorities. The first four mandates
>are really easy but then I need your advice:
>
>1) stop buying current generation machines till issue is settled
>
>2) you must have voter verified (paper) trails, preferably these are
>the primary ballot.
>
>3) if the primary ballot is electronic and not paper, then 1% of the
>paper should be randomly re-counted.
>
>4) you ought to have (true) open source
>
>--- now the hard parts---
>
>how do I explain that open source should include the operating system.
>How do I explain that you somehow have to validate that the binary
>matches the opensource and that it is what was run on election day
>
>--- why these are tricky---
>these are tricky because t! here is no good answer. these are gaping
>holes. so one is left in a weird position of arguing closing some
>holes and not others. Sure one could try to be a hardass an insist
>on solutions for the above. but that may be a non-starter if it
>eliminates too many manufacturers.
>
>Even OVC might have a hard time with assuring the binary run was the
>certified binary. So would that only leave say the vogue automark
>and OVC, the pure paper solutions? I like OVC but it would be
>suicide to promote that as the ONLY viable solution. Let them come
>to that conclusion themsleves.
>
>So give me some tips!
>
>
>
>
>
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