Re: Disturbing web site.

From: laird popkin <lairdp_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Mon Dec 06 2004 - 12:46:47 CST

For example (unless I missed it) OVC is only currently addressing the
front-end of the process (collecting votes from voters and tabulating
them at polling stations) and not the central tabulation system. So
there's certainly room for a current voting system vendor to sell an
OVC-based front-end with their proprietary central tabulation system.
I think that this is a _great_ combination for us, since it would
eliminate a whole raft of integration issues. And we've always thought
that vendors could sell proprietary hardware, services, documentation,
etc., around the OVC software.

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:28:06 -0800, Arthur Keller <arthur@kellers.org> wrote:
> Ed, some models of open source software allow proprietary COTS
> components. If a vendor wanted to sell some proprietary COTS
> components, making the voting-specific parts of the system open
> source might be one way of selling the entire system. In addition,
> the vendor could have a nice service business for it or its partners.
>
> Best regards,
> Arthur
>
>
>
> At 9:18 AM -0800 12/6/04, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
> >Hello Arthur:
> >
> >Is there a good business reason for anyone to do so?
> >
> >Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >
> >Arthur Keller <arthur@kellers.org> wrote:
> >
> >Someone with loads of money and professional staff could build an
> >open source system, and it could be compatible with our
> >(incompletely defined) specifications. Given the low likelihood we
> >can do so ourselves in the HAVA timeframe, I sure hope that someone
> >does.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Arthur
> >
> >At 10:33 PM -0800 12/5/04, Ed Kennedy wrote:
> >
> >>Hello Teresa,
> >>
> >
> >
> >Now it's my term to seem a little dense. If private parties could
> >come up with a machine/system that is built roughly to our
> >specifications, why not? Are we so much better at this than
> >everyone else? Yes, I'd like to think so, but I'm willing to admit
> >that it could be otherwise. Please see my questions sprinkled below.
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >From: <mailto:tahommel@earthlink.net>Teresa Hommel
> >
> >To: <mailto:ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>Open Voting Consortium
> >discussion list
> >
> >Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:44 AM
> >
> >Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Disturbing web site.
> >
> >
> >No Board of Elections has the technical staff that would be needed
> >to securely manage computer systems.
> >
> >
> >
> >Never, ever?
> >
> >
> >
> >Democracy requires voting technology that ordinary non-technical
> >citizen observers can effectively observe.
> >
> >
> >
> >Um, are you advocating a return to paper and pencil? OVC is about a
> >technical approach. While I'm suppose to be a smart kind of fellow,
> >I doubt if I could easily follow Python (the Linux oriented computer
> >language in which the demo is written).
> >
> >
> >
> >No matter what the good qualities of the computer system, an outside
> >vendor tech has to tell the BoE folks and observers what is going
> >on, and can tell them anything that sounds plausible. What non-tech
> >observer would be able to independently know what software is
> >running in the computer? None.
> >
> >
> >
> >Why couldn't the BoE or registrar's office hire experts of their own
> >to challenge the vendor's representative?
> >
> >
> >
> >Then what are the legal standards for when the voter-verified paper
> >ballots have to be counted?
> >
> >
> >
> >Huh?
> >
> >Please check out
> ><http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CACM_YaleStudy.htm>http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CACM_YaleStudy.htm
> >which has a link to the original Yale study.
> >
> >Solely for my reference in working with the wiki
> ><http://openvotingconsortium.org/wiki>http://openvotingconsortium.org/wiki
>
>
> >did the authors give you permission to reproduce their ariticle or
> >are you relying on fair use or is that just a link? BTW, my copy of
> >Acrobat chokes on the second page of that file, something about a -e
> >token not being recognized.
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >
> >
> >
> >Teresa Hommel
> >
> >Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
> >
> >>Hello All:
> >>
> >
> >
> >On further reflection, if they can deliver the same platform, vvpat,
> >paper is the actual document, open source, stand along machines,
> >linux, ran from disk, etc. I don't think we should obstruct them.
> >However, we should be very suspicious given the central tendencies
> >of theses private sector groups. I am not confident that voting
> >systems should even be handled by the private sector but I am
> >willing to see what happens.
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >
> >Rick Gideon <mailto:rick@openvoting.org><rick@openvoting.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> ><http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_July_15/ai_105442202>http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_July_15/ai_105442202
> >
> >Looks like the same old players who already have their fingers in this
> >messy pie.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Ed Kennedy wrote:
> >
> >> <http://www.electiontrust.com/>http://www.electiontrust.com/
>
>
> >>
> >> In particular, see "Partners, Everyone Counts." Private open source.
> >> --
> >> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
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