Re: Disturbing web site.

From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Mon Dec 06 2004 - 12:28:06 CST

Ed, some models of open source software allow proprietary COTS
components. If a vendor wanted to sell some proprietary COTS
components, making the voting-specific parts of the system open
source might be one way of selling the entire system. In addition,
the vendor could have a nice service business for it or its partners.

Best regards,
Arthur

At 9:18 AM -0800 12/6/04, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>Hello Arthur:
>
>Is there a good business reason for anyone to do so?
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>Arthur Keller <arthur@kellers.org> wrote:
>
>Someone with loads of money and professional staff could build an
>open source system, and it could be compatible with our
>(incompletely defined) specifications. Given the low likelihood we
>can do so ourselves in the HAVA timeframe, I sure hope that someone
>does.
>
>Best regards,
>Arthur
>
>At 10:33 PM -0800 12/5/04, Ed Kennedy wrote:
>
>>Hello Teresa,
>>
>
>
>Now it's my term to seem a little dense. If private parties could
>come up with a machine/system that is built roughly to our
>specifications, why not? Are we so much better at this than
>everyone else? Yes, I'd like to think so, but I'm willing to admit
>that it could be otherwise. Please see my questions sprinkled below.
>
>
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:tahommel@earthlink.net>Teresa Hommel
>
>To: <mailto:ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>Open Voting Consortium
>discussion list
>
>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:44 AM
>
>Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Disturbing web site.
>
>
>No Board of Elections has the technical staff that would be needed
>to securely manage computer systems.
>
>
>
>Never, ever?
>
>
>
>Democracy requires voting technology that ordinary non-technical
>citizen observers can effectively observe.
>
>
>
>Um, are you advocating a return to paper and pencil? OVC is about a
>technical approach. While I'm suppose to be a smart kind of fellow,
>I doubt if I could easily follow Python (the Linux oriented computer
>language in which the demo is written).
>
>
>
>No matter what the good qualities of the computer system, an outside
>vendor tech has to tell the BoE folks and observers what is going
>on, and can tell them anything that sounds plausible. What non-tech
>observer would be able to independently know what software is
>running in the computer? None.
>
>
>
>Why couldn't the BoE or registrar's office hire experts of their own
>to challenge the vendor's representative?
>
>
>
>Then what are the legal standards for when the voter-verified paper
>ballots have to be counted?
>
>
>
>Huh?
>
>Please check out
><http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CACM_YaleStudy.htm>http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CACM_YaleStudy.htm
>which has a link to the original Yale study.
>
>Solely for my reference in working with the wiki
><http://openvotingconsortium.org/wiki>http://openvotingconsortium.org/wiki
>did the authors give you permission to reproduce their ariticle or
>are you relying on fair use or is that just a link? BTW, my copy of
>Acrobat chokes on the second page of that file, something about a -e
>token not being recognized.
>
>
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>
>
>Teresa Hommel
>
>Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>
>>Hello All:
>>
>
>
>On further reflection, if they can deliver the same platform, vvpat,
>paper is the actual document, open source, stand along machines,
>linux, ran from disk, etc. I don't think we should obstruct them.
>However, we should be very suspicious given the central tendencies
>of theses private sector groups. I am not confident that voting
>systems should even be handled by the private sector but I am
>willing to see what happens.
>
>
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>Rick Gideon <mailto:rick@openvoting.org><rick@openvoting.org> wrote:
>
>
><http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_July_15/ai_105442202>http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_July_15/ai_105442202
>
>Looks like the same old players who already have their fingers in this
>messy pie.
>
>
>
>On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Ed Kennedy wrote:
>
>> <http://www.electiontrust.com/>http://www.electiontrust.com/
>>
>> In particular, see "Partners, Everyone Counts." Private open source.
>> --
>> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>>
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>>
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