Re: Omidyar group

From: Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Mon Dec 06 2004 - 11:16:53 CST

Hello All:
Regardless of the merits of the arguments, I can see no good reason why you cannot proceed with a ballot marker that will be forward compatable with the full blown EVM system. We have people begging us for SOMETHING NOW!
Thanks, Ed Kennedy

Fred McLain <> wrote:
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 23:41 -0800, Arthur Keller wrote:
> The following is my personal opinion and not official OVC policy.

> The best approach for satisfying HAVA deadlines is precinct-based
> optical scan systems with Electronic Ballot Markers for disabled
> access.

> The OVC will likely NOT be able to produce a certified system in time
> for the expected RFP's in the spring and summer of 2004. We don't
> have a delivery infrastructure either.
Frankly Aurthur, I believe you are mistaken here. I presume you're
talking about 2005, not 2004. If, and only if, a state can make their
election requirements visible, we can produce a voting system for Utah
or North Carolina in less then 7 months. The developers here can do
that, but we have to have concise requirements from the responsible
parties. We're clearly the best choice, we need to demonstrate that

I want to correct a misconception. The people developing the software
are not the bottleneck here. It's the plan that is missing. Give us a
goal and you will see the software. What motivates us is the idea of
creating an open voting system. Think of the folks who are still
working on the X-Prise project, they don't care that they didn't get the
$10M prise, they are still working toward the goal. So should we.
Missing an election is harsh, but we can produce the system regardless
of these deadlines.

> I know Alan doesn't agree with my opinions here (which I have
> discussed here earlier), but I know that others within the
> voter-verified paper community do agree with me.
I am a member of that community. Alan is a powerful spokesman for what
we are doing, I respect his opinions on matters he tracks. If you need
to know what we are able to do with the software he's certainly the
wrong person to ask.

Yes, the team can certainly be rebuild, reorganized and complete a demo
for what Kathy is wanting to do in Utah. I discussed this with her this
evening. It will be a bit of a push, but the SW team can accomplish
these goals. With funding a 2006 election is well within our reach.

After having been involved with this group through more then one
election, I believe the "lack of time" argument is moot. Our developer
community can, and will, produce the software we need in a reasonable
amount of time given a correct specification.

This is IMHO, not the official position of OVC.


It is good to have an end to journey towards, but it is the journey that
matters in the end - UKL.

> "The best is the enemy of the good." --Voltaire
> Best regards,
> Arthur
> At 10:16 PM -0800 12/5/04, Ed Kennedy wrote:
> > Hello Fellow Omidyar Correspondents:
> >
> > Can anyone add to this? This is under the smoke alarm subject
> > matter.
> >
> > Hello David,
> >
> > Several states are involved in this process. Kathy Dopp is working
> > on the same issue in Utah. Her web site is,
> > . I will once again plug, OVC,
> > as they are work on this from the
> > software, hardware and legal end. They have a good web site.
> >
> > Even without all these people in motion there are things you can do
> > on your own. Some the useful things you can do yourself are:
> >
> > 1. Educate your self. Both these sites above have useful links to
> > sites like Black Box voting. Some of the laws and issues regarding
> > voting can seem a little arcane. You need to be up on these so you
> > can't be snowed by some vendor or some 'expert'.
> > 2. Write letter(so) to the editor explaining the problem as you
> > understand it.
> > 3. Get acquainted with your County Registrar of Voters and the laws
> > they work under. I live in California and the State's law are on
> > the web and are searchable. I hope many other states have similar
> > arrangements.
> > 4. Get the laws and/or specifications for voting equipment in your
> > state written to require VVPAT (voter verified paper audit trail)
> > and preferably that the paper document is the actual legal ballot.
> > 5. Also get the laws and/or specifications for voting equipment to
> > be Open Source. Just putting the proprietary code into Escrow isn't
> > enough. The code has to be available on paper or on the web for
> > anyone to look at.
> > 6. Insist that voting equipment not, repeat NOT, be networked
> > together and that it be based on commodity PC's.
> > 6. Stick with it. Commercial computing equipment does not last
> > twenty years. Computers are usually technologically obsolete in two
> > years. Before you say it, "The sooner the better," is a sentiment I
> > agree with.
> > 7. Is this all? Heck no, but that's enough for tonight.
> >
> > Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >
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> >
> > Context:
> >
> > By David Goldbrenner (2) +|-, Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:45:46 PST
> > Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me)
> > Joyce Mc Cloy said:
> > North Carolina activist here again, we need to head off the
> > private vendors at the pass. Our Chief of Elections wants to
> > make North Carolina voting systems more universal like
> > Maryland and Georgia. (both have Diebold TS!)
> > That is my worst nightmare.
> > Must have something to offer that makes sense and is fully
> > developed.
> > This is critical. Once a state spends $100 million on new systems it
> > will be incredibly hard to dislodge. Do we really want to wait 20
> > years for the next technology cycle? We need a viable open
> > alternative NOW. The thought of more entire states using Diebold TS
> > terrifies me. Joyce, is there any way we out of staters can help in
> > the lobbying? Can we work to identify what states around the country
> > are in the same position (Facing a big adoption?)
> >
> >
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