Re: Disturbing web site.

From: Teresa Hommel <tahommel_at_earthlink_dot_net>
Date: Mon Dec 06 2004 - 08:43:21 CST

Re the Yale article from the October Communications of the ACM, I paid
the ACM for permission to post a copy of it. The pdf comes from them. I
don't have any problem with it, so I don't know if something is wrong
with the pdf.

Teresa

Ed Kennedy wrote:

> Hello Teresa,
>
> Now it's my term to seem a little dense. If private parties could
> come up with a machine/system that is built roughly to our
> specifications, why not? Are we so much better at this than everyone
> else? Yes, I'd like to think so, but I'm willing to admit that it
> could be otherwise. Please see my questions sprinkled below.
>
> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Teresa Hommel <mailto:tahommel@earthlink.net>
> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> <mailto:ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Disturbing web site.
>
> No Board of Elections has the technical staff that would be needed
> to securely manage computer systems.
>
> Never, ever?
>
> Democracy requires voting technology that ordinary non-technical
> citizen observers can effectively observe.
>
> Um, are you advocating a return to paper and pencil? OVC is about
> a technical approach. While I'm suppose to be a smart kind of
> fellow, I doubt if I could easily follow Python (the Linux
> oriented computer language in which the demo is written).
>
> No matter what the good qualities of the computer system, an
> outside vendor tech has to tell the BoE folks and observers what
> is going on, and can tell them anything that sounds plausible.
> What non-tech observer would be able to independently know what
> software is running in the computer? None.
>
> Why couldn't the BoE or registrar's office hire experts of their
> own to challenge the vendor's representative?
>
> Then what are the legal standards for when the voter-verified
> paper ballots have to be counted?
>
> Huh?
>
> Please check out
> http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CACM_YaleStudy.htm which has a link
> to the original Yale study.
>
> Solely for my reference in working with the wiki
> http://openvotingconsortium.org/wiki did the authors give you
> permission to reproduce their ariticle or are you relying on fair
> use or is that just a link? BTW, my copy of Acrobat chokes on the
> second page of that file, something about a -e token not being
> recognized.
>
> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>
> Teresa Hommel
>
> Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Hello All:
>>
>> On further reflection, if they can deliver the same platform,
>> vvpat, paper is the actual document, open source, stand along
>> machines, linux, ran from disk, etc. I don't think we should
>> obstruct them. However, we should be very suspicious given the
>> central tendencies of theses private sector groups. I am not
>> confident that voting systems should even be handled by the
>> private sector but I am willing to see what happens.
>>
>> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>>
>> Rick Gideon <rick@openvoting.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_July_15/ai_105442202
>>
>> Looks like the same old players who already have their
>> fingers in this
>> messy pie.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Ed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.electiontrust.com/
>> >
>> > In particular, see "Partners, Everyone Counts." Private
>> open source.
>> > --
>> > Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>> >
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>> >
>> > "Let us all tend to our gardens." Candide - Voltaire
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