Re: Disturbing web site.

From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Mon Dec 06 2004 - 01:44:27 CST

Someone with loads of money and professional staff could build an
open source system, and it could be compatible with our (incompletely
defined) specifications. Given the low likelihood we can do so
ourselves in the HAVA timeframe, I sure hope that someone does.

Best regards,
Arthur

At 10:33 PM -0800 12/5/04, Ed Kennedy wrote:
>Hello Teresa,
>
>Now it's my term to seem a little dense. If private parties could
>come up with a machine/system that is built roughly to our
>specifications, why not? Are we so much better at this than
>everyone else? Yes, I'd like to think so, but I'm willing to admit
>that it could be otherwise. Please see my questions sprinkled below.
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:tahommel@earthlink.net>Teresa Hommel
>To: <mailto:ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>Open Voting Consortium
>discussion list
>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Disturbing web site.
>
>No Board of Elections has the technical staff that would be needed
>to securely manage computer systems.
>
>Never, ever?
>
>Democracy requires voting technology that ordinary non-technical
>citizen observers can effectively observe.
>
>Um, are you advocating a return to paper and pencil? OVC is about a
>technical approach. While I'm suppose to be a smart kind of fellow,
>I doubt if I could easily follow Python (the Linux oriented computer
>language in which the demo is written).
>
>No matter what the good qualities of the computer system, an outside
>vendor tech has to tell the BoE folks and observers what is going
>on, and can tell them anything that sounds plausible. What non-tech
>observer would be able to independently know what software is
>running in the computer? None.
>
>Why couldn't the BoE or registrar's office hire experts of their own
>to challenge the vendor's representative?
>
>Then what are the legal standards for when the voter-verified paper
>ballots have to be counted?
>
>Huh?
>
>Please check out
><http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CACM_YaleStudy.htm>http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CACM_YaleStudy.htm
>which has a link to the original Yale study.
>
>Solely for my reference in working with the wiki
><http://openvotingconsortium.org/wiki>http://openvotingconsortium.org/wiki
>did the authors give you permission to reproduce their ariticle or
>are you relying on fair use or is that just a link? BTW, my copy of
>Acrobat chokes on the second page of that file, something about a -e
>token not being recognized.
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>
>Teresa Hommel
>
>Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>
>>Hello All:
>
>On further reflection, if they can deliver the same platform, vvpat,
>paper is the actual document, open source, stand along machines,
>linux, ran from disk, etc. I don't think we should obstruct them.
>However, we should be very suspicious given the central tendencies
>of theses private sector groups. I am not confident that voting
>systems should even be handled by the private sector but I am
>willing to see what happens.
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>Rick Gideon <mailto:rick@openvoting.org><rick@openvoting.org> wrote:
>
>
><http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_July_15/ai_105442202>http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_July_15/ai_105442202
>
>Looks like the same old players who already have their fingers in this
>messy pie.
>
>
>
>On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Ed Kennedy wrote:
>
>> <http://www.electiontrust.com/>http://www.electiontrust.com/
>>
>> In particular, see "Partners, Everyone Counts." Private open source.
>> --
>> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>>
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>>
>> "Let us all tend to our gardens." Candide - Voltaire
>>
>>
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