Re: OVC-discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4

From: Jerry Lobdill <lobdillj_at_charter_dot_net>
Date: Sun Aug 06 2006 - 09:21:18 CDT

I have agreed to delay any further discussion of this issue on the
list until Arthur Keller has submitted my work to Stanford.

Jerry

At 02:00 PM 8/5/2006, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:50:41 -0600
>From: "Kathy Dopp" <kathy.dopp@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] NEDA is going down a primrose path...
>To: ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net
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>Sorry. I missed noticing this post by Jerry earlier. I'll simply
>correct a few facts and leave it at that for now.
>
>On 8/3/06, ovc-discuss-request@listman.sonic.net
><ovc-discuss-request@listman.sonic.net> wrote:
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:39:19 -0500
> > From: Jerry Lobdill <lobdillj@charter.net>
> > Subject: [OVC-discuss] NEDA is going down a primrose path...
> > To:
> >
> > Since Ms. Dopp posted the message below I worked with her briefly in
> > support of the effort she had going (alluded to below) to solve the
> > probability equation in closed form. The effort to find a closed
>
>Jerry did not solve the probability equation. Frank Stenger solved
>it. Although Jerry did lead us temporarily down a blind alley, which
>was not a big deal as that happens frequently in math when one is
>looking for solutions.
>
> > form solution failed, but I wrote a new spreadsheet that expresses
>
>Jerry did not discover the numerical solution to the election
>integrity equation I derived until the day "after" he received Frank's
>numerical solution via email and he exactly copied it. While Frank
>and I were further refining Frank's elegant numerical program to fully
>implement the equation I had discovered (Frank Stenger is world famous
>in numerical methods) Jerry managed to exactly copy Frank's first
>version that he had received via an email from me, in a spreadsheet
>without implementing my election integrity equation in it, just the
>rough basic equation that Frank had solved the day earlier.
>
>Frank instantly noticed that Jerry was claiming credit for Frank's
>method. Frank is one of the foremost mathematicians in the world and
>I knew that the equation was difficult to solve and that the Brennan
>Center had given up on trying to solve it by any method and that the
>one person in the world who could solve it was my friend Frank
>Stenger. I'm afraid Jerry really does not deserve to receive the
>credit for Frank's solution.
>
> > the probability in terms of gamma functions. This formulation
> > eliminates the need to use integers for sample sizes when goal
> > seeking to find the sample size that provides a 0.95 probability of
> > finding at least one corrupt precinct in the sample.
>
>Not quite, but almost. Frank's solution uses a continuous function,
>but the real life solution requires integers which don't land on the
>exact probabilities we input into the numerical algorithm as much as
>the solutions Frank's method finds which can be made accurate to
>within 10 digits or something much more accurate than anything we need
>for our real life problem.
>
> >
> > Unfortunately, I was unable to work successfully with her to produce
> > a product based on this work because we could not resolve our
>
>Again, it was not Jerry's work, but Frank's. Let's be honest here.
>
> > differences on two other issues. The first issue was whether her
> > solution assumes that all precincts in the county have equal numbers
> > of votes. The second issue was the method of deciding what precincts
> > should be included or excluded from the population when setting up
> > the equation.
>
>My solution does not assume that all precincts in a county have equal
>number of votes obviously, that would be unimaginable.
>
>I don't plan to exclude any precincts from the total count when
>setting up "the" equation, but I'm not sure what equation of the
>several involved Jerry is referring to, or why anyone would imagine
>excluding precincts or even selecting certain precincts when setting
>up any of the equations involved. i.e. Jerry's comments seem
>unrelated to my work.
>
>
> >
> > I am now working on my own to produce a methodology for conducting
> > mandatory audits of elections. I will post my writeups on this
> > problem here and hope that there will be some members who will be
> > able to take the time to read and discuss this work.
>
>Good. Never hurts to have someone thinking more about this issue. I
>hope, however, that Jerry does not continue to claim credit for
>Frank's work or my own when he releases his own ideas, or perhaps
>since he feels my methods, as he understands them, are invalid, I hope
>that Jerry will present a new method that he himself derived, rather
>than claiming credit for a solution that a world famous numerical
>analyst friend of mine derived, and provably prior to when Jerry,
>after receiving his solution, claimed to derive it himself.
>
>Kathy Dopp

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