Re: Question re. Op Scan error rates vs. Punch Card error rates

From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Tue Aug 16 2005 - 10:43:07 CDT

On 8/16/05, Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Punch card systems are now illegal.

I don't believe this is true. I don't have time to explain but I
would challenge (in good spirit, of course) Ed to elaborate a bit
here. True, if a jurisdiction accepted money to upgrade under HAVA,
they would ditch their punchcards... but if a jurisdiciton doesn't
accept HAVA money and can meet the mandatory minimum requirements
under HAVA (which they can even do with educational materials),
they're fine.

> They are
> comparing apples and oranges. Also, the error rate
> sounds suspiciously high. Demand to see detailied
> test information and say that without such, their
> statement must be ignored. The numbers could have
> easily just been pulled out of someone's posterior.
>
> Additionally, if someone drops back on the above
> challenge and trys to say that op-scan is less
> accurate than DRE, ask them to explain how they can
> tell with a system that leaves no audit trail.
>
> Finally, ask them why on earth they prefer such an
> expensive system ($7-8k per 100 voters plus GEMS
> software, etc.) that also has such a continuing 'bad
> smell' around it?
>
> HTH, Ed Kennedy
>
> --- Kathy Dopp <kathy@uscountvotes.org> wrote:
>
> > Thank you very much to those who gave me the answers
> > I needed re.
> > Diebold's redundancy.
> >
> > I also need help with this:
> >
> > Utah's Lt. Governor also claims that
> >
> > "The average optical scan system error rate was
> > 5.69%, far worse than
> > the average punchcard error rate of 3.83%"
> >
> > Can anyone please help me rebut that?
> >
> > THANK YOU!
> >
> > It is difficult to keep up with all the stuff
> > happening in Utah and try
> > to work to get the National Election Data Archive
> > off the ground too. I
> > still have more to report from the NASED conference
> > too when I get a chance.
> >
> > FYI, I will post all the UT Lt. Governor's
> > statements and my responses
> > at http://utahcountvotes.org/Response2Herbert.pdf by
> > tomorrow some time.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Kathy
> > http://utahcountvotes.org
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