Re: [Fwd: [voting-rights] Alameda County Board of Supervisors meeting today]

From: Arthur Keller <voting_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Wed Aug 03 2005 - 06:19:14 CDT

I don't know about that, since the Automark was up for certification
at the June 16th VSPP meeting. It's already federally certified, but
not yet California-state certified, as far as I can tell.

Best regards,

At 3:29 PM -0700 8/2/05, Jim March wrote:
>I'm forwarding the message below because there's discussion of
>ballot marking devices not being certified and I seem to recall
>somebody at OVC getting a statement from the SecState's office that
>a "pure ballot marker" may not need full certification? My memory
>is fuzzy on this point...can somebody check this out and reply?
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [voting-rights] Alameda County Board of Supervisors
>meeting today
>Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:07:16 -0700
>From: Michelle Gabriel <>
>To: voting-rights <>
>A few of us toughed it out to the end. We all said our piece. Then
>Keith Carson spoke. He started with saying that first he wanted to
>make it clear that the vote of last time was not rushed into. The
>item had been on the agenda, had been delyaed that June meeting, and
>that it was to be voted on at that meeting.
>Then he said normally the BoS does not comment on anything in the
>public commentary but this time he would. He went on to summarize
>what has been happening and said little of substance.
>But there was one important item that came out of this -
>Keith Carson said that Elaine Ginnold would be presenting a report
>to the BoS on Sept 19th that looks at all the option for voting. To
>get the exact wording, you would probably have to listen to the
>recording of the meeting.
>We need to get our input into that report and make sure that we feel
>it is fair and accurate!!! Let's not be blind sided like we were at
>the last meeting when Elaine handed out that table showing that
>getting a new system would cost $15 million.
>Judy - since you are on Elaine's Citizen Advisory Group - can you
>talk to her about this? What help and assistance could be offer her
>AND her staff to prepare this report?
>I spoke to Elaine right when the meeting was starting. We discussed
>that no system was certified. I said - what about paper ballots?.
>Her reply - they are not handicap accessible. I said - what about
>just having a ballot marking device for them, like Automark. Her
>reply - it's not certified. Whole systems are certified now, not
>I think this area of ballot marking devices and their certification
>is a good one for someone to research.
>Also, if one system gets certified, that does not mean that everyone
>has to buy it - in the whole state .... I don't know how to word
>this better. But it there is a sole source, then are they going to
>be forced into buying it. I know our group says NO but we need to
>have our ducks in order so that it doesn't happen.
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