Re: New York Times Quote of the Day & Provisional ballots

From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Fri Aug 06 2004 - 13:04:05 CDT

At 10:51 AM -0700 8/6/04, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>Hello David:
>
>I've volunteered to be a poll worker down in San Diego County. I
>know we're going to use optical scan or mark sense ballots in
>November. I'm not sure if any California counties are actually
>going to be able to legally use their DRE machines. Arthur, Alan or
>anyone, do you know the status of the 'recertifiication' of the
>non-Diebold DRE machines?

Many of them are being recertified. Most of the counties have been
approved. For example, Santa Clara county has been approved.

> Also, when you use optical scan or mark sense systems, is
>the nominal ballot filled out by the voter just part of the audit
>trail or is it formally the ballot (this question is not restricted
>just to California)?

Formally the ballot.

> Additionally I am not familiar with the details of when the
>ballots are counted on optical scan systems. Are they typically
>counted 'on the fly' as the ballots are handed in or are they
>counted after the polls are closed? I can see pros and cons for
>each way.

In San Mateo County, they are counted incrementally for each
precinct. Other places may do it otherwise.

>Finally, not to throw a wrench into the works, but what about using
>the EVM as a front end to existing optical scan ballot systems? The
>voter would use the touch screen to mark the ballot which would be
>printed out in a format compatable with existing optical scan voting
>equipment and counted by existing optical scan voting equipment.
>This could be a neat dance step around the old issue of bar codes
>versus OCR.

AutoMark systems do just that. But it doesn't prevent duplicate
tabulations of the same ballot; we do prevent it.

>Thanks, Ed Kennedy

Best regads,
Arthur

>David Jefferson <d_jefferson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>In California, provisional ballots ARE placed into the ballot
>box, at least in those counties that have ballot boxes anyway.
>Whether DRE counties also have ballot boxes I am not sure,
>although since state law allows people with absentee ballots to
>drop them off at precinct polling places, I guess they must. I
>should know this, but I don't!
>
>David
>
>
>--- "Edmund R. Kennedy" wrote:
>
>> Hello All:
>>
>> Would the OVC EVM aid in the casting of provisional ballots?
>> I could see a routine, when triggered somehow, that marks
>> across the face of the ballot PROVISIONAL and prints out the
>> proper affadavit language for the voter to sign.
>>
>> I understand that the voter puts their provisional ballot into
>> an envelope. Typically what happense to the envelope after
>> that! ? Is it placed (envelope and all) into the ballot box? I
>> could see this decreasing the likelihood that these
>> provisional ballots would get 'lost'.
>>
>> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>>
>> Arthur Keller wrote:
>> "You talk about testing with real bullets, this is going to be
>>
>> testing election reform with real ballots."
>> - DOUG CHAPIN, executive director of a nonpartisan election
>> watchdog
>> group, on provisional voting.
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/06/politics/campaign/06vote.html?th
>>
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