Re: Move to North Dakota if you really want a se cret ballot, or ....

From: Charlie Strauss <cems_at_earthlink_dot_net>
Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 - 12:09:32 CDT

On Aug 5, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Popkin, Laird (WMG Corp) wrote:
>
> On the topic of IRV, I don't see how it leads to proportional
> representation, since no matter what the voting mechanism, the result
> is still "winner take all".

I'm not sure I was saying that. IRV leads to more optimal satisfaction
of some measures of voter preference. In the sense the the result is
representative of a compromise it is more analogous to a proportional
system than non-IRV voting. I was trying to connect this by analogy to
saying that extending this compromise process to the primary process is
sort of antithical to its purpose.

>
> Admittedly, IRV would allow for more parties to campaign more
> effectively, because it would eliminate the (strong) argument that a
> vote for a third party is a wasted vote. IMO that's a good thing, as
> IRV makes the winner more representative of the voter's intent when
> there are more than two parties campaigning.

Yes I agree. I like IRV for that reason. I was just saying that its
not a given that removing bi-stability (two party) from our system will
result in a more coherent or more representative government, it just
moves where the compromises take place. But my own guess is that IRV
would be better than 2-party--but that' s just my guess; I dont agree
with people who say its a mathematical certainty that maximizing voter
preference by some measure results in better government functioning.

> For example, in the US a Democrat or Republican would almost certainly
> still win virtually all elections, but it would eliminate the effect
> that "spoiler candidates" have had in subtracting votes from the
> "closer" candidate and throwing the election to the "further"
> candidate, as has happened for several recent presidential elections.
> So Pat Buchanan voters could be assured that they weren't helping
> elect a Democrat, etc.
>
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