Re: FYI - [IP] How They Could Steal the Election This Time and response

From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Wed Aug 04 2004 - 00:56:24 CDT

For what it's worth, Shamos was extolling DREs and complaining about
paper 11 years ago.

See http://www.cpsr.org/conferences/cfp93/shamos.html

Arthur

At 9:48 AM -0700 8/3/04, Barbara Simons wrote:
>Shamos knows no shame. For what it's worth, he was also on the wrong side
>of the issue with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act - defending Hollywood
>and the record industry. Aside from money he gets as an expert witness in
>court cases (both voting and DMCA), I don't know why he does this. But,
>maybe the money is more than an aside.
>Regards,
>Barbara
>
>On 8/1/04 21:04, "Karl Auerbach" <karl@cavebear.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> This was on Dave Farber's IP list.
>>
>> One of my thoughts was "shame on Shamos".
>>
>> --karl--
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:29:25 -0400
>> From: David Farber <dave@farber.net>
>> To: Ip <ip@v2.listbox.com>
>> Subject: [IP] How They Could Steal the Election This Time and response
>>
>>
>> From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
>> Date: July 31, 2004 4:03:41 PM EDT
>> To: cryptography@metzdowd.com
>> Subject: How They Could Steal the Election This Time
>>
>> <http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20040816&s=dugger>
>>
>> Click here to return to the browser-optimized version of this page.
>>
>> This article can be found on the web at
>> http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040816&s=dugger
>>
>> How They Could Steal the Election This Time
>>
>> by RONNIE DUGGER
>>
>> [from the August 16, 2004 issue]
>>
>>
>> AND from Mike Shamos who was quoted in the article
>>
>> "I sent the following to The Nation today:"
>>
>> To the Editor:
>>
>> Ronnie Dugger's article ("How They Could Steal The Election This Time," Aug.
>> 16) contains an error in its very first sentence and things only go downhill
>> from there. He claims that voting system vendors could program the machines
>> "to invisibly falsify the outcomes." There is no basis at all for
>>asserting,
>> or even believing, that such a thing is possible. It is pure
>>science fiction
>> to dream that it can be done "invisibly." Machines are tested, and if
>> tampering has occurred it can be found. If the machines have been altered,
>> then forensic examination can detect the alteration. He fails to
>>mention that
>> DRE machines have been used in the United States for over 25 years without a
>> single verified incident in which the outcome of any election was altered
>> through tampering.
>>
>> Later, Mr. Dugger misquotes me as having said that "computerized
>>vote-counting
>> is highly vulnerable to fraud." I wrote many years ago, and still believe,
>> that punched-card voting, not DRE voting, was vulnerable to fraud.
>>
>> His most basic error, however, is in urging that paper systems are
>>safer than
>> electronic ones. Since 1852, the New York Times has published over 4000
>> articles on paper ballot fraud in the United States. That works
>>out to about
>> one article every 12 days for the past 152 years. Paper is not
>>safe. It may
>> be familiar, but it is the principal tool of election fraud in this country
>> and
>> always has been. The answer is not to return to paper but to implement
>> safeguards to assure the public that the sorts of machinations Mr. Dugger
>> imagines are not possible in practice.
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> __________
>> Michael I. Shamos
>> Distinguished Career Professor, Language Technologies Institute
>> Director, Universal Library
>> Co-Director, Electronic Commerce degree program
>> 4515 Newell-Simon Hall, Carnegie Mellon University
>> Pittsburgh, PA 15213
>> 412-268-8193 (office phone) 412-268-6298 (office fax) 412-681-8398 (home
>> phone)
>> Home page: http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/people/faculty/mshamos
>>
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