Re: I need some help

From: JamBoi <jamboi_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Wed Apr 27 2005 - 00:41:35 CDT

The truth is the truth and the DRE cartel uses rhetoric like "radical
conspiracy theorist" to suppress the truth. I have no qualms about
speaking truth to power.

JamBoi

--- Teresa Hommel <tahommel@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Tell that to a legislator, you'll be called a radical or conspiracy
> theorist. The only answer I have found to the persistent belief that
> certified systems are perfect is
> to hand over the 97 pages of documented failures of (mostly)
> certified
> systems from http://www.votersunite.org/info/messupsbyvendor.asp
> and the interview with MicroVote executives
> http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647598&nav=0Ra7JXq2
>
> Teresa Hommel
>
> as JamBoi wrote:
>
> >DRE's are NOT currently subject to ANY credible testing. NONE
> >WHATSOEVER. The DRE CARTEL HAS DONE EVERYTHING in their power TO
> KEEP
> >IT THAT WAY.
> >
> >JamBoi
> >
> >--- Teresa Hommel <tahommel@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Re financial transactions, there is a tracking number. In the case
> of
> >>
> >>checks it is the bank number, account number, and check number. The
>
> >>person gets a statement, which shows the check and the tracking
> >>information (date, check number, amount). In case of an inquiry,
> the
> >>bank's bookkeeping department can show the FBI each step of the
> >>processing of the check.
> >>
> >>Flight-control is not similar to transaction-capturing and
> >>-processing,
> >>but voting is a transaction-capturing and -processing application.
> >>Why
> >>did Shamos compare voting to flight-control? My assumption was that
> >>he
> >>was using what he knew, and he had once worked with a
> flight-control
> >>application. You don't need documentation to prove that flight
> >>control
> >>systems are subject to rigorous pre-use procedures, because no one
> >>will
> >>argue this point -- but they will argue that "so are voting
> systems."
> >>
> >>You need to show that Shamos is comparing apples and oranges,
> because
> >>
> >>transaction-capture is error prone and always audited 100% by a
> human
> >>
> >>being -- every customer sooner or later personally views their
> >>transaction data and finds out if their transaction data was
> wrongly
> >>recorded or processed when they (1) get their statement (2) get
> their
> >>
> >>bill (3) get the correct item they ordered or a wrong item that
> they
> >>have to return (4) get the correct or wrong service visit from the
> >>cable
> >>technician, telephone installer, plumber, repair person, etc etc.
> >>
> >>Teresa Hommel
> >>
> >>Ron Crane wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>At Alan's request, I am writing a paper rebutting Prof. Shamos's
> >>>recent paper that promotes DREs. I've got most of it in hand, but
> I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>need some help on three issues. Two of them should be easy for
> >>>
> >>>
> >>someone
> >>
> >>
> >>>who knows, and one will require some work. I need all these by
> >>>Thursday if possible. Here they are:
> >>>
> >>>1. A few reliable cites for the proposition that flight-control
> >>>software is subject to rigorous specification, implementation,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>review,
> >>
> >>
> >>>and testing procedures.
> >>>
> >>>2. A few reliable cites for the proposition that software used for
>
> >>>major financial transactions (e.g. a bank's check-clearing system)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>is
> >>
> >>
> >>>subject to tight standards (though probably not as tight as (1)).
> >>>
> >>>3. I need someone who is well versed in OVC's system to read
> >>>
> >>>
> >>section
> >>
> >>
> >>>2.4 of Shamos's paper
> >>>(http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/people/faculty/mshamos/paper.htm#_edn1 )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>to write a technically solid rebuttal. Reward: naming as a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>co-author.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>-Ron
> >>>
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> >JamBoi
> >
> >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
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