Re: I need some help

From: Ed Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 20:37:50 CDT

Hello Jamboi:

I love the rhetoric but let's keep it here.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JamBoi" <jamboi@yahoo.com>
To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] I need some help
> DRE's are NOT currently subject to ANY credible testing.  NONE
> WHATSOEVER.  The DRE CARTEL HAS DONE EVERYTHING in their power TO KEEP
> IT THAT WAY.
>
> JamBoi
>
> --- Teresa Hommel <tahommel@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Re financial transactions, there is a tracking number. In the case of
>>
>> checks it is the bank number, account number, and check number. The
>> person gets a statement, which shows the check and the tracking
>> information (date, check number, amount). In case of an inquiry, the
>> bank's bookkeeping department can show the FBI each step of the
>> processing of the check.
>>
>> Flight-control is not similar to transaction-capturing and
>> -processing,
>> but voting is a transaction-capturing and -processing application.
>> Why
>> did Shamos compare voting to flight-control? My assumption was that
>> he
>> was using what he knew, and he had once worked with a flight-control
>> application.  You don't need documentation to prove that flight
>> control
>> systems are subject to rigorous pre-use procedures, because no one
>> will
>> argue this point -- but they will argue that "so are voting systems."
>>
>> You need to show that Shamos is comparing apples and oranges, because
>>
>> transaction-capture is error prone and always audited 100% by a human
>>
>> being -- every customer sooner or later personally views their
>> transaction data and finds out if their transaction data was wrongly
>> recorded or processed when they (1) get their statement (2) get their
>>
>> bill (3) get the correct item they ordered or a wrong item that they
>> have to return (4) get the correct or wrong service visit from the
>> cable
>> technician, telephone installer, plumber, repair person, etc etc.
>>
>> Teresa Hommel
>>
>> Ron Crane wrote:
>>
>> > At Alan's request, I am writing a paper rebutting Prof. Shamos's
>> > recent paper that promotes DREs. I've got most of it in hand, but I
>>
>> > need some help on three issues. Two of them should be easy for
>> someone
>> > who knows, and one will require some work. I need all these by
>> > Thursday if possible. Here they are:
>> >
>> > 1. A few reliable cites for the proposition that flight-control
>> > software is subject to rigorous specification, implementation,
>> review,
>> > and testing procedures.
>> >
>> > 2. A few reliable cites for the proposition that software used for
>> > major financial transactions (e.g. a bank's check-clearing system)
>> is
>> > subject to tight standards (though probably not as tight as (1)).
>> >
>> > 3. I need someone who is well versed in OVC's system to read
>> section
>> > 2.4 of Shamos's paper
>> > (http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/people/faculty/mshamos/paper.htm#_edn1 )
>> and
>> > to write a technically solid rebuttal. Reward: naming as a
>> co-author.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > -Ron
>> >
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> JamBoi
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
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