Re: I need some help

From: Teresa Hommel <tahommel_at_earthlink_dot_net>
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 20:20:55 CDT

Tell that to a legislator, you'll be called a radical or conspiracy
theorist. The only answer I have found to the persistent belief that
certified systems are perfect is
to hand over the 97 pages of documented failures of (mostly) certified
systems from http://www.votersunite.org/info/messupsbyvendor.asp
and the interview with MicroVote executives
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647598&nav=0Ra7JXq2

Teresa Hommel

as JamBoi wrote:

>DRE's are NOT currently subject to ANY credible testing. NONE
>WHATSOEVER. The DRE CARTEL HAS DONE EVERYTHING in their power TO KEEP
>IT THAT WAY.
>
>JamBoi
>
>--- Teresa Hommel <tahommel@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Re financial transactions, there is a tracking number. In the case of
>>
>>checks it is the bank number, account number, and check number. The
>>person gets a statement, which shows the check and the tracking
>>information (date, check number, amount). In case of an inquiry, the
>>bank's bookkeeping department can show the FBI each step of the
>>processing of the check.
>>
>>Flight-control is not similar to transaction-capturing and
>>-processing,
>>but voting is a transaction-capturing and -processing application.
>>Why
>>did Shamos compare voting to flight-control? My assumption was that
>>he
>>was using what he knew, and he had once worked with a flight-control
>>application. You don't need documentation to prove that flight
>>control
>>systems are subject to rigorous pre-use procedures, because no one
>>will
>>argue this point -- but they will argue that "so are voting systems."
>>
>>You need to show that Shamos is comparing apples and oranges, because
>>
>>transaction-capture is error prone and always audited 100% by a human
>>
>>being -- every customer sooner or later personally views their
>>transaction data and finds out if their transaction data was wrongly
>>recorded or processed when they (1) get their statement (2) get their
>>
>>bill (3) get the correct item they ordered or a wrong item that they
>>have to return (4) get the correct or wrong service visit from the
>>cable
>>technician, telephone installer, plumber, repair person, etc etc.
>>
>>Teresa Hommel
>>
>>Ron Crane wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>At Alan's request, I am writing a paper rebutting Prof. Shamos's
>>>recent paper that promotes DREs. I've got most of it in hand, but I
>>>
>>>
>>>need some help on three issues. Two of them should be easy for
>>>
>>>
>>someone
>>
>>
>>>who knows, and one will require some work. I need all these by
>>>Thursday if possible. Here they are:
>>>
>>>1. A few reliable cites for the proposition that flight-control
>>>software is subject to rigorous specification, implementation,
>>>
>>>
>>review,
>>
>>
>>>and testing procedures.
>>>
>>>2. A few reliable cites for the proposition that software used for
>>>major financial transactions (e.g. a bank's check-clearing system)
>>>
>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>subject to tight standards (though probably not as tight as (1)).
>>>
>>>3. I need someone who is well versed in OVC's system to read
>>>
>>>
>>section
>>
>>
>>>2.4 of Shamos's paper
>>>(http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/people/faculty/mshamos/paper.htm#_edn1 )
>>>
>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>to write a technically solid rebuttal. Reward: naming as a
>>>
>>>
>>co-author.
>>
>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>-Ron
>>>
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>
>JamBoi
>
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