Re: My proposal for Minimal E-Voting Standards

From: JamBoi <jamboi_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 19:03:22 CDT

AND since this is not vital to my PROPOSAL FOR MINIMAL E-VOTING
STANDARDS, I will remain silent on the best way to solve this
(important, but not vital to MINIMAL E-VOTING STANDARDS) issue. Back
to the topic.

JamBoi

--- Ron Crane <voting@lastland.net> wrote:

> Last-minute registration should require the same proof of citizenship
>
> as ordinary registration. As for the utility bill, the name and
> address
> must match the name and address submitted during initial
> registration.
>
> Problem solved, no biometrics or RFIDs needed, and no need to force
> those of us who wish to lead private lives – as the 4th, 5th, and
> 9th
> Amendments guarantee – to "open up" ourselves to yet more Big
> Government meddling.
>
> -R
>
> On Apr 25, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>
> > Hello Ron:
> >
> > How about last minute registration? What's to keep me
> > from making and handing out 100 copies of my utility
> > bill or making a completely fake one? I know that my
> > utility bill doesn't have my photo on it.
> >
> > The Devil's Advocate (for the nonce), Ed Kennedy
> >
> > --- Ron Crane <voting@lastland.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:38 PM, Edmund R. Kennedy
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello:
> >>>
> >>> The word 'minimal' suggest to me that it covers
> >> the
> >>> entire picture but not in great depth. Perhaps
> >> the
> >>> word you are looking for is fragmentary or
> >> 'elements
> >>> of e-voting standards'? As a general comment it
> >> seems
> >>> odd that we're all for open systems but not open
> >>> lives.
> >>
> >> It is not odd at all. Open systems give citizens
> >> control of government.
> >> "Open lives" give government control of citizens. I
> >> know which I want.
> >>
> >>> How would you address the 'voter integrity'
> >>> issue?
> >>
> >> I don't see it as a huge problem. I realize that
> >> others, however, do –
> >> and others yet pretend that they do. I have no
> >> problem with uniform
> >> standards for voter registration involving the
> >> presentation – at
> >> registration – of a birth certificate,
> >> naturalization certificate, or
> >> similar proof of citizenship: as long as
> >> registration is sufficiently
> >> in advance of an election to allow reasonable time
> >> to acquire these
> >> forms of ID. I have no problem with making the
> >> registration database
> >> available statewide, or even nationwide, to combat
> >> multiple voting. I
> >> have no problem with requiring the presentation – at
> >> the polls – of a
> >> form of ID, such as a photo ID or utility bill –
> >> that matches the
> >> registration record, as long as that form of ID is
> >> available to
> >> everyone for free.
> >>
> >> -R
> >>
> >>> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- JamBoi <jamboi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Dear Ed,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, its true that I didn't address all aspects
> >> of
> >>>> the broken parts of
> >>>> our voting system and I'm not attempting a
> >>>> comprehensive addressing of
> >>>> all the problems. Minimal is a key word in the
> >>>> title. I was trying to
> >>>> focus merely on the E-Voting portion of it. All
> >>>> additional suggestions
> >>>> for the whole voting system are needed and
> >> welcome,
> >>>> but if we can
> >>>> segment off and focus on just the Mimimal
> >> E-Voting
> >>>> Standards portion of
> >>>> it I think that will help us with the current
> >>>> political/legislative
> >>>> challenges that are going on right now. OVC is
> >>>> really focused on
> >>>> E-Voting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also I have to virulently oppose the statement
> >>>> "privacy is a quaint
> >>>> 19th century concept". Give me privacy or give me
> >>>> death! Liberty is
> >>>> closely tied in with privacy. I won't leave home
> >>>> without it!
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for getting some great discussion going
> >> by
> >>>> replying to my
> >>>> proposal!
> >>>>
> >>>> JamBoi
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Ed Kennedy <ekennedyx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A couple of things:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Q: Why use touch screen voting? A. ADA
> >>>> compliance and multiple
> >>>>>
> >>>>> language capability. Also, it makes write in
> >>>> voting a little less
> >>>>> uncertain.
> >>>>> 2. You seem to neglect voting registration and
> >>>> poll books. Not only
> >>>>> do
> >>>>> votes needs to be accurately recorded and
> >> capable
> >>>> of independent
> >>>>> audit but
> >>>>> only legitimate voters should vote. After
> >> looking
> >>>> over the
> >>>>> Washington State
> >>>>> elections it looks like the Republican party has
> >>>> some legitimate
> >>>>> gripes
> >>>>> about the difficulty of voter verification. My
> >>>> personal solution is
> >>>>> free,
> >>>>> biometric ID's complying with national
> >> standards.
> >>>> If this is a
> >>>>> National- ID
> >>>>> system, so be it. We've already all got social
> >>>> security numbers and
> >>>>> privacy
> >>>>> is a quaint 19th century concept.
> >>>>> 3. The person in charge of elections should be
> >> a
> >>>> civil servant
> >>>>> appointed by
> >>>>> the judicial branch and confirmed by the
> >>>> legislature.
> >>>>> 4. In light of what happened in Ohio, there
> >> needs
> >>>> to be an adequate
> >>>>> supply
> >>>>> of voting machines and back up paper ballots.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks, Edmund R. Kennedy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Always work for the common good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 10777 Bendigo Cove
> >>>>> San Diego, CA 92126-2510
> >>>>> USA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I blog now and then at:
> >>>> <http://ekennedyx.blogspot.com/>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "JamBoi" <jamboi@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list"
> >>>>> <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:10 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [OVC-discuss] My proposal for Minimal
> >>>> E-Voting Standards
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/20/181112/801
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please Recommend and Comment.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> JamBoi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> JamBoi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love
> >>>> unconditionally" (anon)
> >>>>>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> JamBoi
> >>>>
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> >>>> (anon)
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> >>>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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