Re: I need some help

From: Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 10:29:08 CDT

<http://www.tnc.com/assets/information/TNCStandards.pdf>
<http://www.fasab.gov/accepted.html>

Hope this helps. If not, it at leasts points us in
the right direction.

Thanks, Ed Kennedy

--- Ron Crane <voting@lastland.net> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Teresa Hommel wrote:
>
> > Re financial transactions, there is a tracking
> number. In the case of
> > checks it is the bank number, account number, and
> check number. The
> > person gets a statement, which shows the check and
> the tracking
> > information (date, check number, amount). In case
> of an inquiry, the
> > bank's bookkeeping department can show the FBI
> each step of the
> > processing of the check.
> >
> > Flight-control is not similar to
> transaction-capturing and
> > -processing, but voting is a transaction-capturing
> and -processing
> > application. Why did Shamos compare voting to
> flight-control? My
> > assumption was that he was using what he knew, and
> he had once worked
> > with a flight-control application. You don't need
> documentation to
> > prove that flight control systems are subject to
> rigorous pre-use
> > procedures, because no one will argue this point
> --
>
> I do need this documentation because it is yet
> another way in which
> existing voting systems differ from flight systems.
>
> > but they will argue that "so are voting systems."
> You need to show
> > that Shamos is comparing apples and oranges,
> because
> > transaction-capture is error prone and always
> audited 100% by a human
> > being -- every customer sooner or later personally
> views their
> > transaction data and finds out if their
> transaction data was wrongly
> > recorded or processed when they (1) get their
> statement (2) get their
> > bill (3) get the correct item they ordered or a
> wrong item that they
> > have to return (4) get the correct or wrong
> service visit from the
> > cable technician, telephone installer, plumber,
> repair person, etc
> > etc.
>
> I have already made the point that financial systems
> involve feedback
> that is audited by humans; see item 16 in my note
> posted 4/14. I want
> also to make the additional point that financial
> software is subject to
> stringent controls, which has not been the case for
> voting software
> thus far.
>
> >
> > Teresa Hommel
> >
> > Ron Crane wrote:
> >
> > At Alan's request, I am writing a paper rebutting
> Prof. Shamos's
> > recent paper that promotes DREs. I've got most of
> it in hand, but I
> > need some help on three issues. Two of them should
> be easy for someone
> > who knows, and one will require some work. I need
> all these by
> > Thursday if possible. Here they are:
> >
> > 1. A few reliable cites for the proposition that
> flight-control
> > software is subject to rigorous specification,
> implementation, review,
> > and testing procedures.
> >
> > 2. A few reliable cites for the proposition that
> software used for
> > major financial transactions (e.g. a bank's
> check-clearing system) is
> > subject to tight standards (though probably not as
> tight as (1)).
> >
> > 3. I need someone who is well versed in OVC's
> system to read section
> > 2.4 of Shamos's paper
> >
>
(http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/people/faculty/mshamos/paper.htm#_edn1
> ) and
> > to write a technically solid rebuttal. Reward:
> naming as a co-author.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Ron
> >
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