Re: Privacy is about 50% of the OVC mission

From: Ron Crane <voting_at_lastland_dot_net>
Date: Mon Apr 25 2005 - 21:59:39 CDT

On Apr 25, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Ed Kennedy wrote:

> Hello David and all:
> Please don't confuse personal privacy with voter privacy. Voter
> privacy has a very specific reason behind it which is to discourage
> vote buying and more importantly voter intimidation. I guess I am a
> little guilty of drifting off topic here when I suggest that being
> comfortable with ones own self and trying to live a blameless life is
> the realistic approach to our very real loss of personal privacy. I'm
> glad that David admits that privacy is something of an illusion and I
> guess I should just leave it at that.

Personal privacy also has a very specific "reason behind it". It's
called Liberty and dignity. But more than that, it's called freedom
from unwarranted governmental coercion.

> ...
> As for Ron, of course a utility bill has a name and address. So what?
> Such things are easily faked both in the poll book and in your
> corresponding document.

In my scheme, the primary registration document is the birth
certificate or other indicia of citizenship. Yes, those can be faked.
How often would they be for this purpose? I think not often. Certainly
a system using these as registration documents would have much less
registration fraud than current systems, at essentially no sacrifice in

The utility bill (or photo ID, which is preferred) does two things: it
establishes residence during registration, and it establishes a
correspondence to the registration record during voting.

> Could someone please help me out on explaining to Ron and David why
> this is an issue? All I can say is that there has been a long
> American tradition of a person or people voting multiple times in
> different locations. Part of my problem is that I personally equate
> 'voter integrity' with 'voter disenfranchisement' and I'm having to
> work as the devil's advocate. Regardless, we've got to get beyond
> personal ideology on this. THIS ISSUE WILL NOT GO AWAY.

I am offering a good though not foolproof solution to the problem,
one that does not require the use of biometrics or other intrusive


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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mertz"
> <>
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> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:12 PM
> Subject: [OVC-discuss] Privacy is about 50% of the OVC mission
>> "Edmund R. Kennedy" <> wrote:
>> |It took many years for me to realize that the only way to deal with
>> |this is to try and live my life in a blameless way and to be
>> comfortable
>> |with who I am, warts and all.
>> I wonder if Ed would be equally happy to give up his right to a secret
>> ballot on the same grounds that he has "nothing to hide?" We could
>> just
>> have every voter sign a witnessed affidavit that s/he intended to vote
>> for such-and-such candidates to authenticate voters.
>> A whole lot of what OVC is about is *protecting privacy*
>> (specifically,
>> vote anonymity)... it sure seems strange for an OVC'er to start
>> arguing
>> we ought to give up the illusion of privacy, and just do things we
>> don't
>> mind people knowing about.
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