Re: My proposal for Minimal E-Voting Standards

From: Ron Crane <voting_at_lastland_dot_net>
Date: Mon Apr 25 2005 - 18:53:19 CDT

Last-minute registration should require the same proof of citizenship
as ordinary registration. As for the utility bill, the name and address
must match the name and address submitted during initial registration.

Problem solved, no biometrics or RFIDs needed, and no need to force
those of us who wish to lead private lives – as the 4th, 5th, and 9th
Amendments guarantee – to "open up" ourselves to yet more Big
Government meddling.

-R

On Apr 25, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:

> Hello Ron:
>
> How about last minute registration? What's to keep me
> from making and handing out 100 copies of my utility
> bill or making a completely fake one? I know that my
> utility bill doesn't have my photo on it.
>
> The Devil's Advocate (for the nonce), Ed Kennedy
>
> --- Ron Crane <voting@lastland.net> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:38 PM, Edmund R. Kennedy
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> The word 'minimal' suggest to me that it covers
>> the
>>> entire picture but not in great depth. Perhaps
>> the
>>> word you are looking for is fragmentary or
>> 'elements
>>> of e-voting standards'? As a general comment it
>> seems
>>> odd that we're all for open systems but not open
>>> lives.
>>
>> It is not odd at all. Open systems give citizens
>> control of government.
>> "Open lives" give government control of citizens. I
>> know which I want.
>>
>>> How would you address the 'voter integrity'
>>> issue?
>>
>> I don't see it as a huge problem. I realize that
>> others, however, do –
>> and others yet pretend that they do. I have no
>> problem with uniform
>> standards for voter registration involving the
>> presentation – at
>> registration – of a birth certificate,
>> naturalization certificate, or
>> similar proof of citizenship: as long as
>> registration is sufficiently
>> in advance of an election to allow reasonable time
>> to acquire these
>> forms of ID. I have no problem with making the
>> registration database
>> available statewide, or even nationwide, to combat
>> multiple voting. I
>> have no problem with requiring the presentation – at
>> the polls – of a
>> form of ID, such as a photo ID or utility bill –
>> that matches the
>> registration record, as long as that form of ID is
>> available to
>> everyone for free.
>>
>> -R
>>
>>> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>>>
>>>
>>> --- JamBoi <jamboi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Ed,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, its true that I didn't address all aspects
>> of
>>>> the broken parts of
>>>> our voting system and I'm not attempting a
>>>> comprehensive addressing of
>>>> all the problems. Minimal is a key word in the
>>>> title. I was trying to
>>>> focus merely on the E-Voting portion of it. All
>>>> additional suggestions
>>>> for the whole voting system are needed and
>> welcome,
>>>> but if we can
>>>> segment off and focus on just the Mimimal
>> E-Voting
>>>> Standards portion of
>>>> it I think that will help us with the current
>>>> political/legislative
>>>> challenges that are going on right now. OVC is
>>>> really focused on
>>>> E-Voting.
>>>>
>>>> Also I have to virulently oppose the statement
>>>> "privacy is a quaint
>>>> 19th century concept". Give me privacy or give me
>>>> death! Liberty is
>>>> closely tied in with privacy. I won't leave home
>>>> without it!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for getting some great discussion going
>> by
>>>> replying to my
>>>> proposal!
>>>>
>>>> JamBoi
>>>>
>>>> --- Ed Kennedy <ekennedyx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of things:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Q: Why use touch screen voting? A. ADA
>>>> compliance and multiple
>>>>>
>>>>> language capability. Also, it makes write in
>>>> voting a little less
>>>>> uncertain.
>>>>> 2. You seem to neglect voting registration and
>>>> poll books. Not only
>>>>> do
>>>>> votes needs to be accurately recorded and
>> capable
>>>> of independent
>>>>> audit but
>>>>> only legitimate voters should vote. After
>> looking
>>>> over the
>>>>> Washington State
>>>>> elections it looks like the Republican party has
>>>> some legitimate
>>>>> gripes
>>>>> about the difficulty of voter verification. My
>>>> personal solution is
>>>>> free,
>>>>> biometric ID's complying with national
>> standards.
>>>> If this is a
>>>>> National- ID
>>>>> system, so be it. We've already all got social
>>>> security numbers and
>>>>> privacy
>>>>> is a quaint 19th century concept.
>>>>> 3. The person in charge of elections should be
>> a
>>>> civil servant
>>>>> appointed by
>>>>> the judicial branch and confirmed by the
>>>> legislature.
>>>>> 4. In light of what happened in Ohio, there
>> needs
>>>> to be an adequate
>>>>> supply
>>>>> of voting machines and back up paper ballots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Edmund R. Kennedy
>>>>>
>>>>> Always work for the common good.
>>>>>
>>>>> 10777 Bendigo Cove
>>>>> San Diego, CA 92126-2510
>>>>> USA
>>>>>
>>>>> I blog now and then at:
>>>> <http://ekennedyx.blogspot.com/>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "JamBoi" <jamboi@yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list"
>>>>> <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: [OVC-discuss] My proposal for Minimal
>>>> E-Voting Standards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/20/181112/801
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please Recommend and Comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JamBoi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JamBoi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love
>>>> unconditionally" (anon)
>>>>>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> (anon)
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