Re: My proposal for Minimal E-Voting Standards

From: Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Mon Apr 25 2005 - 18:39:17 CDT

Hello Ron:

How about last minute registration? What's to keep me
from making and handing out 100 copies of my utility
bill or making a completely fake one? I know that my
utility bill doesn't have my photo on it.

The Devil's Advocate (for the nonce), Ed Kennedy

--- Ron Crane <voting@lastland.net> wrote:

> On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:38 PM, Edmund R. Kennedy
> wrote:
>
> > Hello:
> >
> > The word 'minimal' suggest to me that it covers
> the
> > entire picture but not in great depth. Perhaps
> the
> > word you are looking for is fragmentary or
> 'elements
> > of e-voting standards'? As a general comment it
> seems
> > odd that we're all for open systems but not open
> > lives.
>
> It is not odd at all. Open systems give citizens
> control of government.
> "Open lives" give government control of citizens. I
> know which I want.
>
> > How would you address the 'voter integrity'
> > issue?
>
> I don't see it as a huge problem. I realize that
> others, however, do
> and others yet pretend that they do. I have no
> problem with uniform
> standards for voter registration involving the
> presentation at
> registration of a birth certificate,
> naturalization certificate, or
> similar proof of citizenship: as long as
> registration is sufficiently
> in advance of an election to allow reasonable time
> to acquire these
> forms of ID. I have no problem with making the
> registration database
> available statewide, or even nationwide, to combat
> multiple voting. I
> have no problem with requiring the presentation at
> the polls of a
> form of ID, such as a photo ID or utility bill
> that matches the
> registration record, as long as that form of ID is
> available to
> everyone for free.
>
> -R
>
> > Thanks, Ed Kennedy
> >
> >
> > --- JamBoi <jamboi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Ed,
> >>
> >> Yes, its true that I didn't address all aspects
> of
> >> the broken parts of
> >> our voting system and I'm not attempting a
> >> comprehensive addressing of
> >> all the problems. Minimal is a key word in the
> >> title. I was trying to
> >> focus merely on the E-Voting portion of it. All
> >> additional suggestions
> >> for the whole voting system are needed and
> welcome,
> >> but if we can
> >> segment off and focus on just the Mimimal
> E-Voting
> >> Standards portion of
> >> it I think that will help us with the current
> >> political/legislative
> >> challenges that are going on right now. OVC is
> >> really focused on
> >> E-Voting.
> >>
> >> Also I have to virulently oppose the statement
> >> "privacy is a quaint
> >> 19th century concept". Give me privacy or give me
> >> death! Liberty is
> >> closely tied in with privacy. I won't leave home
> >> without it!
> >>
> >> Thank you for getting some great discussion going
> by
> >> replying to my
> >> proposal!
> >>
> >> JamBoi
> >>
> >> --- Ed Kennedy <ekennedyx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Hello:
> >>>
> >>> A couple of things:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Q: Why use touch screen voting? A. ADA
> >> compliance and multiple
> >>>
> >>> language capability. Also, it makes write in
> >> voting a little less
> >>> uncertain.
> >>> 2. You seem to neglect voting registration and
> >> poll books. Not only
> >>> do
> >>> votes needs to be accurately recorded and
> capable
> >> of independent
> >>> audit but
> >>> only legitimate voters should vote. After
> looking
> >> over the
> >>> Washington State
> >>> elections it looks like the Republican party has
> >> some legitimate
> >>> gripes
> >>> about the difficulty of voter verification. My
> >> personal solution is
> >>> free,
> >>> biometric ID's complying with national
> standards.
> >> If this is a
> >>> National- ID
> >>> system, so be it. We've already all got social
> >> security numbers and
> >>> privacy
> >>> is a quaint 19th century concept.
> >>> 3. The person in charge of elections should be
> a
> >> civil servant
> >>> appointed by
> >>> the judicial branch and confirmed by the
> >> legislature.
> >>> 4. In light of what happened in Ohio, there
> needs
> >> to be an adequate
> >>> supply
> >>> of voting machines and back up paper ballots.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Edmund R. Kennedy
> >>>
> >>> Always work for the common good.
> >>>
> >>> 10777 Bendigo Cove
> >>> San Diego, CA 92126-2510
> >>> USA
> >>>
> >>> I blog now and then at:
> >> <http://ekennedyx.blogspot.com/>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "JamBoi" <jamboi@yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list"
> >>> <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:10 PM
> >>> Subject: [OVC-discuss] My proposal for Minimal
> >> E-Voting Standards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/20/181112/801
> >>>>
> >>>> Please Recommend and Comment.
> >>>>
> >>>> JamBoi
> >>>>
> >>>> JamBoi
> >>>>
> >>>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love
> >> unconditionally" (anon)
> >>>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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> >> JamBoi
> >>
> >> "Live humbly, laugh often and love
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> >> (anon)
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> >>
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