Re: Miami-Dade Considering Dropping $25M ES&S iVotronic

From: Arthur Keller <voting_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Fri Apr 15 2005 - 17:14:24 CDT

Ed,

You have fine suggestions for functionality of an EVM system.
Nonetheless, we need a production version in order to put it into
practice. I look forward to there being the resources available
(volunteer and/or paid) for the OVC to get there.

Best regards,
Arthur

At 1:24 PM -0700 4/15/05, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>Hello Arthur:
>
>Thanks for your quick and flattering reply. As an
>open and general question, what is the expectations of
>either having an 'production quality system' or at
>least a next generation version? Before anyone else
>mentions it, just as I've suggested that there should
>be multiple ways to initiation the EVM, perhaps mark
>sense output should be a user selectable choice. This
>gets us around the either/or question. If we're
>looking at 8000 some counties, the system does need to
>have flexibility designed in from the beginning.
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>--- Arthur Keller <voting@kellers.org> wrote:
>
>> Ed, all your criticisms of the Automark are valid.
>> Yet it is
>> available in production form now. The combination
>> of Automark (or
>> equivalent) and precinct-based optical scan is what
>> I'd recommend now
>> until an OVC-style production quality system is
>> available.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Arthur
>>
>> At 1:05 PM -0700 4/15/05, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>> >Hello Arthur:
>> >
>> >As far as I can tell,
>> >
>> >1. the Automark isn't open source
>> >2. doesn't necessarily support the future EVM.
>> >3. Also, it's special hardware and
>> >4. doesn't store electronic voting images.
>> >
>> >I haven't yet to be convinced that the Markamatic
>> >isn't a viable product line. It's just a subset of
>> >the EVM after all.
>> >
>> >Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>> >
>> >--- Arthur Keller <voting@kellers.org> wrote:
>> >> Or the Automark, a commercial product offered by
>> two
>> >> vendors.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Arthur
>> >>
>> >> At 12:05 PM -0700 4/15/05, Edmund R. Kennedy
>> wrote:
>> >> >Hello Arthur and All:
>> >> >
>> >> >Can I still get people to consider a touch
>> screen
>> >> >driven scan tron ballot printer say the EVM
>> 1/2?
>> >> >It's, quick, cheap(er) and allows county's
>> >> thinking
>> >> >of using optical scan equipment to meet ADA and
>> >> >multi-lingual requirements. No, it's not meant
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> >substitute for the EVM-1 but it could get our
>> foot
>> >> in
>> >> >the door in a number of places as well as allow
>> us
>> >> to
>> >> >work through the inevitable wrinkles. It could
>> >> still
>> >> >have over/under vote prevention, run from a
>> live CD
>> >> >and produce ballot images. Yes, the concept is
>> not
>> >> so
>> >> >different from the EVM but it does away with
>> the
>> >> >annoying bar code issue and the
>> counting/tabulating
>> >> >issue -- for now.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>> >> >
>> >> >PS: I still have problems with the likelihood
>> of a
>> >> >voter walking away with the SPB.
>> >> >
>> >> >Also, while I'm dealing with unfinished
>> business:
>> >> >
>> >> >1. What have we decided re voting cycle
>> activation
>> >> >especially re primaries. Last I checked we had
>> a
>> >> >handful of methods. Should the software be
>> written
>> >> to
>> >> >accomodate them all?
>> >> >2. Explain to me again why ballots under glass
>> is
>> >> a
>> >> >problem for voter privacy? It seems remote.
>> Yes,
>> >> >it's an annoying kludge but that's not a real
>> good
>> >> >reason to say it shouldn't be used.
>> >> >
>> >> >--- Arthur Keller <arthur@kellers.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,101105,00.html
>> >> >>
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